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Facts & Myths about Arbery Case
Vanity | May 10, 2020 | Bort

Posted on 05/10/2020 6:06:59 PM PDT by bort

I am a veteran criminal law attorney who has tried more than 300 criminal jury trials, handled thousands of other criminal cases, racially-divisive cases, etc. We have dozens of "citizen lawyers" on Free Republic who are posting insane, inane, wrong, and crazy "facts," "law," and conclusions. I have studied this case inside and out. Let me give you some insight, and feel free to post some questions....


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To: Vermont Lt

Yes he was an idiot. Glad you see that.


261 posted on 05/11/2020 9:10:43 AM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: DrewsMum
Yes he was an idiot. Glad you see that.

The two shooters are in jail without bail facing years in jail if convicted. I'm not sure how smart they're feeling right about now. If only they had turned the police scanner off.

262 posted on 05/11/2020 9:12:30 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DrewsMum

Well, I would never grab a shotgun, if that is what you mean.

I think the collective IQ in the whole event was breaking 50.


263 posted on 05/11/2020 9:19:22 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Treeless Branch

Yes and he was heard singing zip a dee doo dah as he merrily jigged along through the big oaks with moss

/s


264 posted on 05/11/2020 9:23:16 AM PDT by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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To: Vermont Lt

So yes...these guys deserve some time in Prison.

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Your opinion. Which is irrelevant.

What is relevant is your total disregard of the law. Upthread you stated you wish you could be on the jury. Benjamin Crump and the BLM crowd would love to have you.

People like you got OJ off as they also ignored the law. And instead ignored the facts and went with raw ignorant opinions.


265 posted on 05/11/2020 9:25:46 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Click my screen name for an analysis on how HIllary wins next November.)
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To: Alberta's Child

“ Go back to my original question: If Arbery had been armed and shot one or both of these dudes, would it be a case of justifiable self defense?”

It appears he was attempting to arm himself by disarming one of his pursuers. And I have no doubt a claim of self defense would have been claimed. Whether or not that claim would sway would be dependent on the victims actions just prior to the incident along with any history of running afoul of the law.


266 posted on 05/11/2020 9:39:00 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Responsibility2nd; Vermont Lt

“Upthread you stated you wish you could be on the jury.”

Worse than that, he said: “What they did was wrong. I wish I could be on the jury. None of your legal issues matter.”

Contrast this with the real Constitution which protects the rights of those accused by the government: “ . . . trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed . . .”

I am just cautious whenever anyone, no matter how well intentioned, advocates undermining constitutional safeguards.


267 posted on 05/11/2020 9:42:26 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: Responsibility2nd

So, you think this entire situation is “morally” right.

Not legally right. But morally.

I am not fan of BLM. I am a fan of using the police force to do their jobs. I am a fan of using common sense in situations like this. There are many other ways they could have solved the issue—and none of them involve firearms.

What these guys did was morally wrong. It was wrong on any common sense scale.

And in terms of putting themselves in Jeopardy, it clearly was the wrong thing to do.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of Freepers who think its find to chase down a guy in the street and detain them, with firearms pulled.

There was no crime committed that warranted this guy being detained with firearms. That is not the purpose of the second amendment. They were not protecting themselves or their property. They were not defending against tyranny.

They were bullies who thought they had gotten themselves a “boy.”

The list of stuff the guy posted might be the “legal” aspect of this. I wouldn’t want those fools as my neighbors. You probably would.


268 posted on 05/11/2020 9:44:37 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt

You really ought read up on the facts before you spout nonsense.

Do you really not know that Arbery was the aggressor here? That Arbery took a swing at the son? That Arbery lunged at the son and grabbed the shotgun?

These are facts, son. Not opinions.


269 posted on 05/11/2020 9:51:33 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Click my screen name for an analysis on how HIllary wins next November.)
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To: Alberta's Child

[Oh, I see ... so if I’m walking in the park tomorrow and a couple of armed guys come up and say they’re “arresting” me, I’m supposed to just take their word for it? LOL.]


If you’ve been wandering through local developments, while poking around and looking in windows, I think you know what they want with you. You’re busy developing man-bites-dog scenarios when we know that dog-bites-man is the general rule. This is exacerbated by the media’s perennial search for the Great White Defendant, in which service, it will not only not look for, but actively hide, information that points to the “victim” as the opposite of a choir boy - information that backs up the accounts proferred by the whites who avoided becoming anonymous victims of yet another black murderer that day.


270 posted on 05/11/2020 9:52:04 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Doctor Freeze

Yes we know

Snotty yankee moves south

You’re better than us

Believe me we’ve heard it.


271 posted on 05/11/2020 9:53:02 AM PDT by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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To: Vermont Lt

“Even in Red States, you are not allowed to gun down people in the streets...innocent or not.”

Even in Red States . . .?

To be clear, the Red States are the ones that believe in personal liberty, constitutional rights, and generosity towards their fellow man.

The vast majority of people in Georgia - white and black - would give a stranger the shirt off their backs if needed.

No, I don’t live in Georgia and yes, I don’t like Georgia football.


272 posted on 05/11/2020 9:54:10 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: Dr. Sivana

Maybe he was casing the property for a follow up visit.


273 posted on 05/11/2020 9:54:58 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: DoodleDawg

Oh you really are clueless aren’t you? Police scanner?

What on the police scanner did they hear that made them pursue the thug?


274 posted on 05/11/2020 9:59:23 AM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: DoodleDawg
“And you added me to the distribution for this message because...?”

Because of the rebuttable presumption that you are one of the smartest people on this site.

275 posted on 05/11/2020 10:03:12 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: bort

And now there’s new black and white surveillance video of him at night shirtless in the SAME house.

How about that!


276 posted on 05/11/2020 10:04:18 AM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: DrewsMum

Same in Jackson Mississippi where I’m from

Not so much here in Nashville to be honest

Too many naive hipster rich neighborhoods bordering the ghetto to plunder I suppose


277 posted on 05/11/2020 10:07:28 AM PDT by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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To: jeffersondem

You were the one talking about Red States. Do you even read what you write?


278 posted on 05/11/2020 10:09:39 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Responsibility2nd

Why did he do that? You cannot start the story in the middle. Did they guy simply walk up to him with a gun, without any reason.

I asked you before if you thought this was a morally justified killing.

If you think it is, it answers a lot of questions.


279 posted on 05/11/2020 10:11:47 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: wardaddy
How are you doing? I don't get on FR much anymore.

I've noticed that "virtue signalling" seems to be a "thing" now, due process is ignored and "FReepers" are buying what the press is selling.

I used to laugh when that "dying press trademark" was posted years ago. The press is NOT dying. They are as powerful as ever. The Arbery case and the Covid panic are proof.

Stay safe and have a great day my friend!

280 posted on 05/11/2020 10:12:57 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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