Posted on 04/30/2020 5:13:17 AM PDT by impimp
It’s just the flu, bro.
How can this level of tyranny be justified for what is really just the flu? Even though this overblown Wuhan flu crisis isn’t over, just think of the next virus pandemic when some children might actually die. The media will clamor for another lockdown - politicians will react accordingly because they don’t want the blood of the children on their hands. They now have the blueprint for obtaining more socialism in the future.
This social distancing is not natural. Anything that involves widespread, sustained and significant deviations from natural human behavior will lead to terrible consequences. And whoever suggests this deviation is likely a leftist tyrant.
Newsom is an idiot and closing California beaches because of Wuhan flu is idiotic. Is it truly healthier to be stuck in your home all day or to be out in the sun? At least some steps toward freedom are happening in some Red states - let’s keep the progress coming there.
Who expected to become a fan of Elon Musk and Sweden before this started? A Flubro commented recently that he will never make fun of Sweden again.
Veritas has evidence, based on interviews with several funeral directors. Yes, there are no doubt legitimate COVID-19 cases, but they’re padding the numbers in order to keep things shut down as long as possible. Note that several democrats tried to prevent the use of Hydroxychloroquine to varying degrees. Again, to make things worse.
Why keep things shut down? Obviously, to discredit the President and perhaps to force “vote by mail” on the people in order to cheat on a massive scale. It’s so obvious that they don’t want a chain of custody for the voting process, they don’t want proof of identity or citizenship.
And, of course, there’s the financial benefit of having to use a ventilator and to having a COVID death. When you’re running a hospital in a largely democrat area, where graft and corruption are the norm, and where your normal source of income is dried up (elective surgeries, etc.), you find new ways to make ends meet. In this case, it’s falsifying cause of death in order to get more federal greenbacks.
I do not ask you anything every day. I recognize your name, but I don't recall the last time I exchanged messages with you. It was at least several months ago, if not a year or more.
What I am asking people to do is to not leap to conclusions, especially of the conspiracy variety. Everyone should take a deep breath and not hyperventilate about what is going on with this disease, or about efforts to contain it.
It proves my point that you’ve succumbed to mass hysteria.
An Open Letter from our Chairman and CEO
Daniel O’Day - March 28, 2020
https://www.gilead.com/stories/articles/an-open-letter-from-our-chairman-and-ceo
A “Fierce” response
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/gilead-ceo-pledges-affordable-remdesivir-as-promising-covid-19-drug-expects-clinical-data
#whopays #NOTWHO
And yet you leap to conclusions with a carte blanche acceptance of numbers that are demonstrably incorrect. You are a piece of oratorical work.
Please respond to my post, or did you read it? You were confronted with all the same assumptions you make and yet have no response.
You are all hat and no cattle
He only reads stuff that fits his agenda. I have spent a great deal of time at bedside. While this virus has its characteristics as any illness does, I have not seen anything new, novel, or worth wetting the bed over. It was likely circulating here well before March and mistaken for guess what? the flu. That’s because it looks a lot like the flu or any other viral respiratory illness Go figure
you are correct — when confronted with the same assumptions that the data Diogenes likes to trumpet in terms of overall cases and mortality rate and what it means— crickets. It is totally unbelievable.
This particular FEARPER is among the worst of the worst — attempts to sound erudite and data driven, but presents the data in a completely dishonest way and then chides other people for not understanding the genius provided. But it is telling that this FEARPER has never once responded to a data driven argument — because he or she cannot...either because he or she fails to understand HOW to analyze data or is to intellectually dishonest to assess the position her or she takes. Its like the New You SLIMES — above the fold front page story that falls apart — no worries, no retraction, or retract on page h -24 under the sears ad for the semiannual sale.
And he disrespects boomers. Impudent young whippersnapper
Yeah but all these FEARPER experts tell us we are wrong, and we have NEVER seen anything like this, so we must not be real doctors because how could ANYONE DARE contradict what they read about somewhere and regurgitated happily.
Remdesivir shows promise - saw that yesterday.
Two thoughts come to mind - don’t trust any data out of China/WHO because its been demonstrated that they have a vested interest in hurting the US. It’s akin to asking Germany in 1944, what the best path is for the Allies to invade Europe.
The other thought - if it isn’t manufactured in a friendly country, and especially in the US, then it shouldn’t be trusted. Chinese manufacture is NOT acceptable. Again, their goals are not to help the US, or most other nations for that matter.
Go away Karen
Imprudent young whippersnapper = Stupid snowflake — maybe he should go to his safe space with some of the others, have mommy put their binky in their mouth, clean up the spit up on their bibs, and get their diaper changed
I dont care if they are young...I care very deeply that they are dumbf**ks trying to sound smart.
I know it as well as I know anything in history is true. I know what has been reported and written down, and I also know they didn't have the ability to test for viruses in 1918, so yeah, I pretty well know they didn't test people for the virus in past epidemics. You know it too, or ought to anyway.
Secondly: (and this is my favorite) THIS IS LIKE NO VIRUS WE HAVE EVER SEEN. you are so FULLL of crap. This is the difference between actually knowing what you are talking about and standing at bedside. The stroke study you are referring to are five case reports in the popular literature. The heart attacks? Almost every patient who goes into shock and sepsis and ARDS has an elevated sensitive Troponin which is classified by those who have no idea what they are talking about as Heart attacks.
That isn't the particular part that makes this virus unlike any other virus we have ever seen before. The part that makes this virus unlike any we have ever seen before is it's ability to infect wide varieties of tissues. Most viruses prefer specific tissues.
On doing biopsy's they are finding this thing in kidneys, livers, heart, lungs, etc. It is pervasive to a degree they have not seen before.
Why should I expect you to know this? Why do I talk to you like you are at least as well informed as me? Do you not read Free Republic? These articles have been posted on this web site. All you have to do is read them. Here is one of the articles that has been posted on Free Republic.
Here is a quote:
"“Despite the more than 1,000 papers now spilling into journals and onto preprint servers every week,” Science concluded, “a clear picture is elusive, as the virus acts like no pathogen humanity has ever seen.”
Read it and get back to me.
This pathogen acts like every other one we have seen and is a good deal less virulent than most. It peaked a while ago and now is waning. Find something else to panic over
Well here is the start of the backpedal for you. We checked for H1N1, MERS and SARS -1. Didn't include presumptive cases on those numbers -- so I know better and you are just plain wrong. Cannot wait to hear your response to this.
That isn't the particular part that makes this virus unlike any other virus we have ever seen before. The part that makes this virus unlike any we have ever seen before is it's ability to infect wide varieties of tissues. Most viruses prefer specific tissues.
AGAIN you are a total idiot. The virus has a known entry point and infects lung tissue. Specifically -- you still dont know the difference between basic biology and anything about medicine,. The downstream organ system effects are not direct infection but the results of not getting oxygen to the organ systems. Its called MOSF, and seen with every other ARDS case. In doing biopsies they are finding things (pro tip -- a well structured argument does not rest on they are finding things) is hysterical. Yes they are finding the hypoxemia damage to these organs. So you dont know basic medicine -- the virus specifically infects lung tissue -- the rest is related to what happens when there is loss of oxygen delivery to the tissues.
Why should I expect you to know this? Why do I talk to you like you are at least as well informed as me?
Because I am an expert in the field of critical care medicine and treat these patients everyday. I am not at least as well informed as you, I am infinitely better informed than you. Here is a quote: "“Despite the more than 1,000 papers now spilling into journals and onto preprint servers every week,” Science concluded, “a clear picture is elusive, as the virus acts like no pathogen humanity has ever seen.” Read it and get back to me.
Science is hardly a definitive source of all things medicine and perhaps has its own agenda. Get back to me when there is a meta-analysis of those papers. Of Course, I am analyzing the primary papers (also called primary sources) and dont need a synopsis from a synoptic journal for the masses with a possible agenda. Are you aware that numerous papers are published in economic journals, policy journals and not by physicians and experts in the field -- You are reading the Cliff's notes -- I am reading the actual book
So, I have gotten back to you, and destroyed your every response -- but I love that you cannot cite data here is what you cite
I know what has been reported and written down
I know what is actually happening at bedside. You know what has been reported -- my knowledge is primary source, yours is secondary....you are basing your FEARPER response on what you know is reported. Therefore you know only what others agenda would have you know. And you accuse me of analyzing data hoping it fits my agenda? Try removing the pebble from your eye
Now we will see YOUR CHARACTER. Your arguments have been decimated by data. Are you big enough as a person to admit it, or will you stick to you know what is reported. Time to reveal your character and agenda once and for all...
too late
the damage is done
Wow — did you get the nifty medicine lecture — what a nut job. BUT BUT THIS VIRUS IS DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER ONE. I love it when FEARPERS grace us with their knowledge — you can smell the bulls*t they spew when pushed. Unbelievable. As for Diogenes that last post: Dumbf**ckery confirmed.
Your daughter is correct. If the FEARPERS knew what they were exposed to walking down the street — they would never get out of their (wetted) bed
As our economy and social fabric deteriorate at an accelerated rate even as the Chinese virus itself runs its normal course into irrelevance as a significant threat to health, I woke early this morning with a clear picture of why our beloved country is failing, and of what must be done to literally save our precious Republic. Please indulge what I think is a powerful visual analogy as I go through this brief analysis; I will do my best to avoid a lot of the details that we have already covered in other posts.
America is under a potentially fatal attack not so much by the virus as by our foreign and significantly more powerful domestic enemies. The objective of our foreign adversary, China, is to hurt America economically. In just six short weeks China has been unbelievably successful in crippling America’s economy, and has done so with very little effort. We (as did the West, except for Sweden) did this to ourselves through the lockdown of America, not from the threat of a virus, but from what has been proved to be our irrational fear of a virus … our gross overreaction to a perceived threat.
However, this terrible mistake is not a fatal blow. Our economy will recover, eventually, although not without a great deal of pain and suffering and, in 32 underdeveloped countries identified in a recent United Nations study, not without mass starvation brought on by famine resulting from the lockdown of the West.
No, the far greater and potentially fatal threat to our Republic and to our unique traditional American values comes from America’s Democrat/Left which has discovered a way to achieve its stated, long-term objective of “fundamentally transforming the United States of America”, presumably into some form of European-style socialism on steroids. As was the case with China’s plan, the Democrat/Left’s plan is unfortunately being executed brilliantly. Now for the visual analogy …
You see, what the Democrat/Left has discovered is the “silver bullet”. The Chinese virus is merely the trigger, the lockdown of America represents the weapon itself and the resulting unchecked and unchallengeable uber-Constitutional executive orders of the governors represents the firing pin. But the “silver bullet” is the key; and although the Democrat/Left has likely known of its existence for decades, they have not had an opportunity to use it, knowing they are only going to get one shot with it.
What this “silver bullet” represents is the innate need of most Americans – including so very many Americans on the Right – to “feel safe”. This compelling need to “feel safe” is the key here. The need to “feel safe” is a powerful aphrodisiac … so very powerful indeed! The driving need to “feel safe” has caused many formerly patriotic, America- and liberty-loving citizens on the Right to set aside every principle and every fear or concern for our Republic they have had for much of their lives, and which has so crippled their ability to step away from the incessant panic and hysteria over a virus which has displaced their rationality with emotion. As a result, far too many of our respected allies on the Right have willingly embraced the objective of the Democrat/Left to replace our traditional American values of E Pluribus Unum, In God We Trust and Liberty with some sort of guaranteed “safety”.
The Democrat/Left’s brilliant strategy is being accomplished with very little effort. They have successfully converted a large number of people on the Right to support their America-destroying plan without these converts, in their continuing haze of irrational fear of the virus, even realizing they have done so.
You must understand that the Democrat/Left’s “silver bullet” has been fired right at the heart of our American Republic, our Constitution and Bill of Rights, our traditional American values and at the heart of liberty. It’s too late for us to dodge the bullet; instead it must either be deflected (which is only a temporary solution as there will very soon be another compelling reason for the need to “feel safe” and to justify ever-expanding tyranny) or, a far better remedy, it must be stopped in its tracks! But to do this will take incredibly strong leadership (are you listening President Trump?; are you listening vice-president Pence?; are you listening Mr. McConnell?; are you listening conservative justices on the U.S. Supreme Court?). Because of the thinning of the ranks of patriotic Americans who are now – unwittingly, unintentionally, or otherwise in denial they are doing so – supporting the Democrat/Left’s plan, this will also require incredible strength, dogged persistence and an unshakeable commitment and will to defeat America’s powerful domestic enemy to save our Republic from the horrors of totalitarianism.
Time is very short. The “silver bullet” has been fired right at America’s heart and the enemies of America are cheering it onward, enthusiastic in their confidence that it does what it has been designed to do. The battle for America is waged and I calculate we have less than a few weeks to turn this around or our traditional American values and our Republic will be consigned to history.
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