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Corona Virus Daily Thread #34

Posted on 04/01/2020 9:55:37 AM PDT by Mariner

Yesterday's thread here:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3830232/posts?page=1


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: catsinfected; ccp; ccpvirus; chinavirus; livethread; virus; wuhan
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To: Steve Van Doorn

AGREED, many people in this country have already had this virus thought it was the flu stayed home and got well just like any other year there are many people out there with herd immunity!! This virus seems to be much worse with people affected with diabetes and pre diabetes, people that are overweight and the elderly!! The deaths in Italy 85% were people 70 years and older AND Italy is now saying that MANY, MANY of these deaths were NOT CV19 related although it has been reported they were!! The models in this country are being created by NY circumstances which is absurd the rest of the country is not anything like NY!! All I am trying to get through everyone’s head IS the media is reporting EVERY case, EVERY death why in the hell are these cases and these deaths more important than the HUGE numbers of cases and deaths in 2018 I will tell you why it was NOT an election year!! 647,000 hospitalized YET NY had not a problem WHY?? You know that 50% of these cases and deaths were in NY just because of the way people live in NY, and crickets!!!


781 posted on 04/02/2020 12:13:43 PM PDT by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: firebrand; metmom

Maybe keeping your hand on the wheel when you stop to keep it from turning backwards.


It sounds like something might be weighted wrong that causes the reversal when you stop treadling. I use my grandmother’s Singer from the 40’s and I have never noticed it going backward unless I intend for it to by treadling in reverse. When I stop treadling forward, it coasts to a stop and I can press down on the plate in the reverse direction as a kind of brake function.

I did put a new belt on it before I started using it because the old one was rotted. I don’t know what effect a worn belt could have.

If yours is constantly reversing every time you slow to a stop, no wonder it is giving you fits. That reminds me of driving my old volkswagen beatle with a stick shift and bad idler. It died every time the RPM’s dropped. I had to keep gunning the engine for a drive around a quiet neighborhood. Not a lot of fun, for me or the neighbors. At least it didn’t backfire.


782 posted on 04/02/2020 12:15:51 PM PDT by mom of young patriots
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To: Trump Girl Kit Cat

I think we can all agree on one thing. If Hillary had been elected POTUS, this pandemic would be covered in an entirely different manner.


783 posted on 04/02/2020 12:18:50 PM PDT by CodeJockey (Dum Spiro, Pugno)
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To: Vermont Lt
said, "The death rate is not important to most people"

These false death rates is what is scaring everyone. How can you say it's not important? I agree this virus spreads like the common cold. Though the real death rates are obviously a LOT less then what is being reported.

784 posted on 04/02/2020 12:35:15 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Trump Girl Kit Cat
said, "This virus seems to be much worse with people affected with diabetes"

Yes, I believe the virus feeds on carbohydrates. Which is why Thiamine (Vitamin B1) is used. It brakes down carbohydrates for the body to use.

785 posted on 04/02/2020 12:41:02 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Because it’s not the deaths keeping everything closed. It’s the contagion and the 20% hospitalization for 10-14 days. It’s people getting really sick for about three weeks.

If 2% got sick and died...hardly anything would be shut. Why don’t you think we close during flu season?

And people shouldn’t be scared. This is not likely to make the average person sick, let alone kill them. What are they scared of?


786 posted on 04/02/2020 12:46:03 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: datura
China is a lot stranger than that. There are regional and local People's Liberation Army (PLA) commanders, all generals, and all with budgets that they pretty much have discretionary control over. I.e., they like to use it for their retirement funds.

The central government is aware of this and periodically cracks down on "excessive" enthusiasm for this form of corruption. So the PLA commanders use these for social ranking competition with each other a la French aristocrats as depicted in the 1988 movie, Dangerous Liaisons.

I can't emphasize enough that social class and social competition are incredibly important in nominally classless "Communist" China. China has very much reverted to its past millennia of social ranking competition, but now with a Communist veneer on it.

One of the ways these regional and local PLA commanders conduct their social competition with each other is with use of their discretionary funds. Fear of anti-corruption crackdowns pushes this competition into use of these discretionary funds for things which might nominally benefit the state, as opposed to lavish lifestyles.

Among those things is biological weapons research. Which the central government doesn’t know about. When General Wang brags privately about his pet biowar researchers making some breakthrough, Generals Wing, Wong, Wu and Wung in his area get jealous and order their minions to develop something similar.

One of the attractions of secret (from the central government) biowar research as a means of social competition among Chinese potentates is possible use of the stuff by Chinese factions against each other in the event the central government collapses. The latter is never far from the minds of Chinese potentates, not because there is any visible immediate change of it, but because they are all steeped in Chinese history and know it can happen pretty quick and without much warning.

Again, China is weird and some familiarity with Chinese history and culture is necessary to understand just how weird the place is.

AFAIK, there are hundreds, possibly more than a thousand, of itty-bitty ramshackle unofficial biowar labs all over China. With no standards and no oversight.

I am informed that a typical one will have maybe two researchers with appropriate degrees in charge (but neither with any real competence beyond their education), some technicians who know their way around a lab, one (1) security guy who is an idiot wastrel relative of the potentate funding the lab, and some minimally paid custodial minions. The lab itself has minimal security – at best it’s a converted jewelry store in a strip mall with one room having real security walls and a sturdy (nominally thief-proof) lockable door.

So the Wuhan Virus might have originated in one of these. It is almost certain that, whether the Virus originated in an unofficial biowar lab, the official high-level security biological research lab in Wuhan (which almost certainly did bioweapon research), or the two known low-security biological research labs in Wuhan, the Virus was released by some poorly paid minions selling infected lab animals to the Wuhan exotic animals meat market rather than incinerating them as ordered.

China is so class-ridden that security guys rarely pay attention to the lowest paid minions.

I mention these unofficial biowar labs only to show just how dangerous Communist China is to the entire world as a source of pandemics like the Wuhan Virus. It isn't just of random mutations among exotic animals in meat markets. The latter are just the means of lab viruses escaping. China's Communist system of government, and its Communist Party, are inherent threats to the whole world.

We can EXPECT more pandemics from China to get out as long as China's Communist Party exists. The only question is how we can minimize that threat.

787 posted on 04/02/2020 12:46:34 PM PDT by Thud
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To: Black Agnes
milk thistle extract

Had me drill down in the medical research on that one. I'm going to need another apothecary.
788 posted on 04/02/2020 12:47:14 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PA Engineer

I’ve got a 15yr old English Shepherd.

I give it to her on her food for 2-3weeks at a time on and off.

She developed a tumor at age 12 that was supposed to be the end of her.

It didn’t go away mind you, she was already 12. Vet didn’t think it would be beneficial at her age (12 is about the max listed for ES’s) to do surgery/chemo. So we decided to wait until it started to affect her quality of life. I think the MTE kept her alive much longer than she might otherwise have had. And until the past 2 weeks it’s been really good quality of life. Sadly, I think she’s near the end though. But 15 yrs is a very long lived shepherd by anyone’s stretch of the imagination.

I’ve started giving it prophylactically to my heeler who is about 3.5yrs old.


789 posted on 04/02/2020 12:51:19 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Pollard

The quinine stuff is just a vehicle to let zinc get deep enough into the body to block the ACE receptors the Virus uses to infect people. Zinc is what provides the protection. The other stuff just gets the zinc to where it can do that.


790 posted on 04/02/2020 12:51:30 PM PDT by Thud
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To: Thud

WOW. I have so far taken the WUFLU biolab stories with a very large grain of salt, usually don’t even read them. New diseases have certainly started in China without biolab connection. Your post reduces the salt grain size quite a bit. .


791 posted on 04/02/2020 12:56:36 PM PDT by nomorelurker
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To: Steve Van Doorn

I’ve talked with Jane Long about how she and many on this thread uses confirmed cases and claim this is the death rate when it’s NOT.


Steve...I’ve never claimed that the number of CONFIRMED CV cases are equal to CV death rate.

That doesn’t even make sense.

The death rate is still a moving target, due to inadequate testing, etc.


792 posted on 04/02/2020 1:06:05 PM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: Black Agnes; All
Just something remember. The list will get longer. We are losing our experienced knowledge base in the world.

In Memoriam: Healthcare Workers Who Have Died of COVID-19

There are more in the comments sections.
793 posted on 04/02/2020 1:24:16 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PA Engineer

Looks like a paywall, on my side.

Is it a long list?


794 posted on 04/02/2020 1:27:39 PM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: mom of young patriots

It’s not mine. It belonged to the school system where I went to school in the 1940s, so it might have been a very old treadle model. I don’t think there was anything wrong with it. Maybe the earliest ones did not have that device to keep it from going backwards.

Wish my father were still alive so he could explain it to us. He actually fixed sewing machines for a living—in a huge factory where they ran them at top speed for high production rates and consequently they were always breaking down.


795 posted on 04/02/2020 1:35:23 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Jane Long
Not sure of the style. There are some on Amazon now.

Feeke Five-layer Activated carbon PM2.5 filters and 6 Exhaust Valves Replacement, Active Carbon Filters for Mask (30)
796 posted on 04/02/2020 1:45:15 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Disregard. I found your MD Ping List. Be well!


797 posted on 04/02/2020 2:04:27 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: Jane Long
It is medscape. I just reopened it. If you are still having problems, try private browsing to bypass potential cookies blocking it.

Three pages with short bios.
798 posted on 04/02/2020 2:18:21 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Myrddin

Heh-heh — there is a reason I still have a couple phone line powered phones stashed away.

My wife thinks I am nuts.


799 posted on 04/02/2020 7:38:41 PM PDT by Paul R. (The Lib / Socialist goal: Total control of nothing left wort h controlling.)
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To: miserare

But many. perhaps most, DO receive this standard of care in America.


800 posted on 04/03/2020 12:52:30 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts (M / F) : Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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