Posted on 03/26/2020 10:14:19 AM PDT by Mariner
Thread #27 here:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3828191/posts?page=1
I was out grocery shopping yesterday and several people were wearing masks, and EVERYONE was keeping their distance and yet very polite.
Seems to me that if the store is not crowded and nobody is coughing or sneezing, then transmission by air is likely to be extremely low, correct?
That would then make the make vector contact with contaminated surfaces.
Fortunately, many, if not most people were wiping down carts and lots were using gloves.
I also deliberately went to a county nearby that has a very, very low infection rate, at the moment. Very rural, as all areas are, but instead of heading up towards Syracuse, which has most for this county, I headed further west to a smaller town.
And yes, it's a place I've shopped at before , probably a couple times a year while going through there.
I was not being a city hoard swamping the small town grocery store and cleaning it out on the locals type.
No doubt the opportunists are, but that does not mean the danger from it is any less real.
If that worked, that would not be a bad idea.
The problem is, how to keep the kids from spreading it to the most susceptible while you are doing that.
That would require making sure those in the highest risk category were supplied with enough food and meds to not need any human contact for a couple months, while it made the rounds.
Not feasible.
Death panels.
We’re not going to treat you if WE determine you may not live.
Wow, you have such a high opinion of those who provide your food.
Just a bunch of flat earth rubes, eh?
MICHIGAN
at 79/100,000, Detroit ranks highest in the nation for Wuhan Virus cases according to the Detroit Free Press
Governor Witmere waited until Monday past to issue a stay at home order, according to AP, putting Detroit well behind the national 15 day stay at home guidance from the White House
https://apnews.com/159d38d92b14680b921da80376b08b46
Below is a link for the “regular” flu on fabrics. The regular flu IIRC has similar envelopes as SARS, MERS and Covid-19. Although Covid-19 lasts a lot longer on harder surfaces than the regular flu, so perhaps these results should be taken with a large grain of salt.
Or - multiply the times by 4 or something as a guess? If the regular flu can last for 12 hours on steel, and the Covid-19 for 48 hours or whatever the numbers are. Anyway - perhaps can use as a guideline.
Summary - the regular flu doesn’t last long on fabrics - like 20 minutes. Mostly due to the drying of the envelope and the wicking of the material of the moisture in the envelope. In the charts the cotton cloth did very poorly. But at the end of the paper they explain it as they had the virus in a water solution, and the soaked cotton stayed damp compared to the synthetics that dried quickly.
They surmised that droplets on cotton would have dried as quickly as the synthetics.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4353734/
CALIFORNIA - Clinical Trials
UC Davis Health launches 2 clinical trials to treat COVID-19
Researchers are testing antiviral remdesivir, which was previously tested on Ebola patients, and sarilumab, which is used to treat rheumatoid arthritis, UC Davis Health said...
...The remdesivir study will involve up to 440 patients nationally, including about 10 or more from UC Davis, over the next several months. The patients must be over the age of 18, have tested positive for COVID-19 and poor lung function.
The sarilumab study will involve about 400 hospitalized patients nationwide that are over the age of 18 and have an acute COVID-19 infection.
BAY AREA -
Bay Area coronavirus cases climb as testing grows: 26% test positive at Hayward site
...The Hayward site is also one of the first in the Bay Area to offer free testing. The tests are only for people with a fever of at least 100 degrees and any of the following: shortness of breath, recent travel to Europe or Asia, exposure to the virus, a chronic condition, older than 65, currently or recently pregnant, or homeless.
The site can process up to 370 samples a day through Avellino Lab in Menlo Park. For people who test positive, results are shared within six hours or by the next day. The site also reports results to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and to county health departments where the patients live.
People can join drive-up and walk-up lines until 10 a.m. and again between 1 and 4 p.m. until the maximum number of tests are administered for the day. On Thursday, the center closed early and reduced the number of tests to allow Hayward firefighter-paramedics to conduct mobile testing to vulnerable populations. They may do the same Friday.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/bay-area-coronavirus-cases-climb-as-testing-grows-26percent-test-positive-at-hayward-site/ar-BB11Lkgs
FRESNO
Fresno mayor extends shelter-in-place order for two more weeks
Originally set to end on March 31, the extension asks Fresno’s roughly 500,000 residents to stay home and only leave for essential trips through April 12.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-fresno-mayor-extends-shelter-in-place-order-for-two-more-weeks/ar-BB11LbUx
STATEWIDE - DMV
SACRAMENTO (CBS13) – California’s Department of Motor Vehicles announced that beginning Friday it will be closing all of its field locations through the end of March due to the coronavirus to begin a move toward providing essential services virtually.
“Field offices will be temporarily closed to the public statewide beginning March 27 and reopen, virtually, on April 2,” the DMV said in a news release. “All in-office appointments at this time will be canceled. Customers are encouraged to check the dmv.ca.gov website for future appointment availability.”
CBS Sacramento
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-concerns-dmv-closing-all-california-field-offices-through-end-of-march/ar-BB11MaM3
Thanks
SHOES
“I recommend having a dedicated pair of shoes to go out in and then a clean pair to change into before entering the house,” Pinckney told HuffPost. “Health care workers are always mindful to change shoes [and put work shoes in bags] before getting in the car and going home.”
Schmidt recommended wearing shoes that are machine washable.
...“You have to hide the shoes from small children to ensure they don’t touch them,” she told HuffPost. “Teach them not to touch shoes unless they are designated indoor shoes, as shoes are the dirtiest objects we have in our homes, other than the toilets.”...
Coronaviruses Similar to The COVID-19 One Have Just Been Found in Pangolins
A search for the ‘missing link’ in the chain of the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 has uncovered two close cousins of the new coronavirus in shipments of pangolins being smuggled into China...
In addition to these specimens from the Guangxi operation, the team analysed pangolin scales, skin swabs, and unspecified tissues from a separate customs centre in Guangzhou, picked up in early 2019.
Taken together, the mix of newly sequenced coronavirus genomes are all 85.5 to 92.4 percent similar to SARS-CoV-2, and represent two lines of related virus. One of those lines even has a ‘haircut’ that resembles that of the COVID-19 virus, with remarkably similar receptor-binding spikes jutting from their surfaces.
The results might not be the smoking gun we’re hoping for, as the search for the connection between the coronavirus’s reservoir and the first humans to be infected continues.
Still, it’s a wake-up call we desperately need. All those animals seized by customs were destined for live animal markets somewhere in China.
...
3 babies in China may have been infected with coronavirus in the womb
Three babies in China may have contracted the new coronavirus in the womb shortly before birth, according to two new reports.
However, experts say the evidence in these cases is inconclusive and does not prove the new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, can pass from mother to child during pregnancy.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/3-babies-in-china-may-have-been-infected-with-coronavirus-in-the-womb/ar-BB11LGdA
1st JAMA Article:
Possible Vertical Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 From an Infected Mother to Her Newborn
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763853
2nd JAMA Article:
Antibodies in Infants Born to Mothers With COVID-19 Pneumonia
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763854
The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
Sorry, conspiracy theorists. Study concludes COVID-19 ‘is not a laboratory construct’
An analysis of the evidence, according to the findings first published in the scientific journal Nature Medicine, shows that the novel coronavirus “is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus,” with the researchers concluding “we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.”
“There’s a lot of speculation and conspiracy theories that went to a pretty high level,” Dr. Robert Garry, a professor at the Tulane University School of Medicine and one of the authors of the study, told ABC News, “so we felt it was important to get a team together to examine evidence of this new coronavirus to determine what we could about the origin.”
Dr. Francis Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health, supported the study’s findings, writing on his blog, “This study leaves little room to refute a natural origin for COVID-19.”
And to that i say..ahem...chapel hill.
I still see nothing to refute that this bat sars virus could have been created in a lab.
Yes it could be nature as that study warned about...or not sincr that study was successful in replicating in a living creature.
I use a cute pair of short rubber rain boots. Wash them off outside with a hose then again inside
I don’t know the percentages, but i’ve seen news stories that mention COVID-19 patients who have been taken off of ventilators. I’ve also seen stories that mention something called the Lung Safe study(not specific to COVID-19) which found that patients who had ARDS have a 30% chance of dying in the next 30 days after being taken off of a ventilator.
The 30% was in hospital mortality.
It was kind of obvious, but some people still need the help.
For a time during the meltdown it might be wise to quit intubating the blue people. If no one comes off the vent we have to begin to think of the staff. This is an emergency. We cannot burn through the country’s doctors and nurses, etc. because everyone deserves a code. Everyone doesn’t deserve a code and after running over a hundred, the outcomes are miserable, anyway.
There’s nothing that says the Chinese weren’t “handed lemons and turned them into lemonade”. Al the Chinese coming here AFTER the epidemics began may have been to some extent a purposeful attack.
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