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Roman vs Britons Battle of AD43 Never Happened Says Academic
Ancient Origins ^ | December 26, 2019 | Ashley Cowie

Posted on 03/22/2020 9:00:56 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

Regarded as one of the nation's most horrific battles, the AD 43 event was actually created by an archaeologist with a flair for storytelling, new research claims. This colorful account was first written by archaeologist Sir Mortimer Wheeler after he excavated the site with his wife between 1936 and 1937, subsequently claiming he had discovered a 'war cemetery'.

And according to a report in The Daily Mail , as a result of Wheeler's lies, for many decades this famous ancient face-off has been described as 'the massacre' of a tribe of Ancient Britons by a Roman legion led by future emperor Vespasian.

Wheeler claimed the remains of the 56 ancient British warriors he had found buried had been interred 'in a rush' and he found what he described as 'terrible injuries'. And having failed to denounce any of these claims, English Heritage, which manages the hillfort site on the outskirts of Dorchester, held this account as the correct history of the site. But now, Dr Miles Russell, Professor of Archaeology at Bournemouth University claims 'absolutely no evidence' exists for any such 'great battle' at Maiden Castle...The real world statistics, according to Dr Russell, prove that '74 per cent of the 52 discovered bodies found suffered violent deaths', but rather than all having died at one battle the remains proved to be from a wide timeframe ranging from 100 BC to 50AD suggesting the people lived through 'multiple periods of stress, competition and conflict'. And perhaps the most disturbing 'fact' in all this is that by 43 AD Maiden Castle 'had largely been abandoned' which means the archaeologist entirely bent actual British history to fit his predetermined romantic notions.

(Excerpt) Read more at ancient-origins.net ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; maidencastle; romanempire; vespasian
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To: pax_et_bonum
The Vikings peacefully farmed after pushing the slaughtered victims' bodies to one side. :^) Of course, anyone who has British Isles roots will find a hefty batch of Scandinavian DNA from the medieval times, as will some people with ancestry in coastal France, northern Germany, and of course, Scandinavia / Iceland.

21 posted on 03/22/2020 10:06:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SES1066

[snip] The Romans did later recover the lost legions’ eagles, one each in 15 AD, 16 AD and 42 AD. [/snip]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publius_Quinctilius_Varus

A few years later Arminius was chased down, his forces got their asses handed to them, he fled like the coward he was, and eventually the Roman price on his head resulted in his killing by the kinsmen with whom he was staying.


22 posted on 03/22/2020 10:09:42 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SES1066

They were on holiday!


23 posted on 03/22/2020 10:12:23 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: SunkenCiv

Mythmakers of Maiden Castle: Breaking the Siege Mentality of an Iron Age Hillfort - Dr Miles Russell
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ojoa.12172


24 posted on 03/22/2020 10:13:17 AM PDT by Varda
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To: pax_et_bonum

”Contrary to popular belief, the Vikings were simply peaceful farmers”

I imagine the monks of Ireland, Britain and France had slightly different opinions of the simple Viking “traders” that carried off most of the wealth of the monasteries.


25 posted on 03/22/2020 10:21:59 AM PDT by oldvirginian (I know not what course others may take but as for me Give me Liberty or give me death)
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To: SunkenCiv

There’s an old joke, I can’t remember it well enough to do anything but paraphrase, basically, that learning doesn’t progress because new information arises and everyone integrates it into their own learning/teaching, but because the opponents gradually die off.

I’m 81, and my wife is close to 80.

We have commented about our lives based on your posting above.

She laughs about how I began to eliminate the losers/idiots in my life at 40 and had basically finished that task at age 50. Then, I took early retirement at age 56 and finished up ridding the losers in my company and customers. That wasn’t just people. I eliminated most tv, movies, magazines.

We cut our tv cable 3 years ago.


26 posted on 03/22/2020 10:23:48 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ((FearRepublic.com - keeping the media panic narrative going 24/7 to finally bring down Trump)!!!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

It was Roman KKK massa-creeeing peaceful African immigrants to Britain, I tell ya!


27 posted on 03/22/2020 10:23:59 AM PDT by dynachrome (The panic will end, the tyranny will not)
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To: Grampa Dave

Your analogy...LOL
In separating the wheat from the chaff I’ve found far more chaff than decades earlier.


28 posted on 03/22/2020 10:31:22 AM PDT by Covenantor (We are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: Covenantor

Your analogy...LOL

“In separating the wheat from the chaff I’ve found far more chaff than decades earlier.”

Okay time for you to step up to the plate and eliminate the chaff/losers from your life. :)


29 posted on 03/22/2020 10:34:59 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ((FearRepublic.com - keeping the media panic narrative going 24/7 to finally bring down Trump)!!!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Fertilizer.

;-)


30 posted on 03/22/2020 10:40:47 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum (God is good, He loves us, and He is always with us.)
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To: pax_et_bonum

All those “woke” enlightened folk understand that swords, battle axes, and such were merely intermediate elements of creating plowshares. And contrary to now debunked claims, shields were not a defense against pre-farming implements, rather they were just cumbersome parasols to avert nasty UV rays, primitive sunscreens.


31 posted on 03/22/2020 10:47:15 AM PDT by Covenantor (We are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: Grampa Dave
"How much of our ancient history is based on bs/lies/????."

Actually, government indoctrination asylums are teaching the children much of U.S. history is based on bs/lies... Just as they have been for the past several decades... Very successfully at that...

32 posted on 03/22/2020 10:49:04 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is Sam Adams now that we desperately need him)
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To: Grampa Dave

Been kicking and walking through the chaff since the 90s...same wave length as you.

;>)


33 posted on 03/22/2020 10:56:38 AM PDT by Covenantor (We are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: oldvirginian

I imagine the monks of Ireland, Britain and France had slightly different opinions of the simple Viking “traders” that carried off most of the wealth of the monasteries.

*************

What the heck?

It’s not like the people in those areas gave the Peaceful Farmers any choice!
What were the Peaceful Farmers supposed to do when the locals refused to give up all their goods, lands and women to support the needs of the Peaceful Farmers?

Those claiming victim status only got what they deserved by being so greedy.


34 posted on 03/22/2020 11:06:01 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: SunkenCiv

Being fortunate to have spent today clambering over one of these monuments, I cannot believe they were constructed as fashion. If they spread in a relatively short time period of 50 years, that strikes me as supporting the notion that they were built in response to a crisis or perceived threat.
As always, thanks for posting.


35 posted on 03/22/2020 11:12:13 AM PDT by Mr Radical (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: SunkenCiv
Probably should approach this with some caution, because there's a heavy bias against the hillforts actually having been forts. The kumbaya idea that somehow our peaceful ancestors lived in peace in peaceful surroundings of their own making is trying to strangle serious research in Britain, just as it is here.

If time permits, could you expand a bit on this? I only dip a toe in the subject from time to time, usually while in incidental pursuit of some tangential issue. I am aware that the peaceable kingdom fantasists have infiltrated relevant disciplines, but I also thought that the homo homini lupus/nature red in tooth and claw realists have always hung in the fight, and that the balance was perhaps swinging back their way due to the last generation's archaeological finds evidencing conflict.

36 posted on 03/22/2020 11:14:36 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: SunkenCiv
[snip] The Romans did later recover the lost legions’ eagles, one each in 15 AD, 16 AD and 42 AD. [/snip]

Yes but two of these Legions were never rebuilt (XVIII briefly under Nero) and their losses of ~88% (~18k deaths & enslaved) deeply crippled both the actual military might and, more importantly, the 'invincible' reputation of the Roman Legions. Truly, this battle & loss probably marked the high-water of Rome, at least in the North.

The historian Seutonius writes of Augustus beating his head against a wall, crying; "Quintili Vare, legiones redde!" (Quintilius Varus, give me back my legions!) George A Custer was, by comparison, equally stupid and overly confident but a piker by comparison!

37 posted on 03/22/2020 11:20:24 AM PDT by SES1066 (Happiness is a depressed Washington, DC housing market!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Could this be classified as ‘very old’ news?


38 posted on 03/22/2020 11:26:07 AM PDT by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: sphinx
"... nature red in tooth and claw..."

I'm sorry but you have just outed yourself as irredeemably deplorable with this referral to a DWEM quote (Alfred, Lord Tennyson). Your name is now on the list of the next 'D' Administration's to be done list! On a good note, at least you avoided quoting Kipling, that would have really marked you in RED!

Who trusted God was love indeed
And love Creation's final law
Tho' Nature, red in tooth and claw
With ravine, shriek'd against his creed

39 posted on 03/22/2020 11:36:19 AM PDT by SES1066 (Happiness is a depressed Washington, DC housing market!)
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To: SuperLuminal

Actually, government indoctrination asylums are teaching the children much of U.S. history is based on bs/lies... Just as they have been for the past several decades... Very successfully at that...

Sadly, you are correct!


40 posted on 03/22/2020 11:36:21 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ((FearRepublic.com - keeping the media panic narrative going 24/7 to finally bring down Trump)!!!!)
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