Posted on 03/18/2020 2:22:53 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
The Netherlands will aim to develop immunity to coronavirus among its population by allowing large numbers to contract the illness at a controlled pace, prime minister Mark Rutte announced in a national address on Monday.
“The reality is that in the near future a large part of the Dutch population will be infected with the virus,” Mr Rutte said. “We can slow down the spread of the virus while building controlled group immunity.”
“It can take months or even longer to build group immunity, and during that time we need to shield people at greater risk as much as possible.”
The idea of developing group immunity to coronavirus, also known as Covid-19, is controversial. It has been supported by Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell and Britain’s chief scientific adviser Patrick Vallance. But the World Health Organisation (WHO) has questioned its basis in evidence.
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They allow euthanasia of the elderly there don’t they?
Because Chicken Pox is a DNA virus. It inserts into your genome permanently. AIDS does so by means of a Retrovirus. Even though it is an RNA disease to express it’s genome it first makes a DNA copy which then gets inserted. Coronaviruses lack reverse transcriptase. Unless there is some new as yet undiscovered way it should not stay forever.
What it means is let everybody at low risk become infected and let whoever dies die and whoever lives live. The survivors will be immune and not carriers. The death rate for that population may be comparable to the common flu.
He’s also saying that the population most at risk would be quarantined until the rest of the population becomes immune and no longer a carrier.
It’s a strategy that at least wouldn’t decimate the economy since people with low risk could continue working and congregate. Us old geezers would have to be isolated for several months.
Could be better than what we’re doing. We still have the disease AND a totally collapsed economy.
You are assuming a death rate of fractions of a percent due to successful mitigation efforts. In ERs where the blue people are arriving in double digits by the hour those patients will have death rates above 10%. Maybe even as high as 50%.
But I’m sure your community has a lot of medical students who will be happy to bag people for days.
“Numbers of sick overwhelm the healthcare system when using this control method.”
Not if it is comparable to the regular flu for the low risk population.
“You never are cured, you spend a lifetime on drugs to control”
I’m on heart meds until I die and I’m grateful they exist. You can consider food a drug to keep you alive.
Everyday of our life consists of efforts on our part to not die, so if I have to swallow an additional pill to live I’ll do that and be very grateful for it.
That scenario wouldn’t scare me one bit.
I would remind everybody whose t=strategy is to “just get the disease and move on” of Parkinson’s Disease. There will likely be ramifications of this illness it will take years to discover. I would not volunteer for such a strategy.
“You are assuming a death rate of fractions of a percent due to successful mitigation efforts.”
No I’m assuming that the mitigation efforts would be similar to that of the regular flu for the population in question, which available evidence seems to support. It has it’s risks, but so does the path we’re on. We’re in totally uncharted territory and trying different approaches may be useful in finding the best one.
There was a chart of “lethality” vs “contagious”. This virus collocates on that chart with Cholera. Cholera outbreak is a better analogy than “flu”.
I hear ya. The Navy is mobilizing the 2 hospital ships. Their doing something nobody has yet announced down at the Wells Fargo Center in South Philly — tents are being erected and pallets are being moved inside. A makeshift hospital, looks like.
Bottom line: The median fatality age has stayed solidly around 80 years old through this panic. Healthy young people are not dropping like flies in the street. Something isn’t adding up here.
Morgue.
There is something that apparently amounts to a “second hit” that separates mildly ill vs. seriously ill. Perhaps hemoglobin poisoning. Perhaps for some reason healthy people can deal with or not get this “second hit”.
A man in Japan has gotten the China virus twice... and he’s not the only one.
What if the second or third time the virus sees the host as having ‘underling health issues’? Would the Chinese spend billions to produce a weapon that gives victim a mild cold?
“It took decades to realize 1918 flu caused a lot of Parkinson’s in the 60s.”
I’d never heard that before. That’s interesting. Where did you get that from?
From the research I did on Parkinson’s Disease decades ago but you can do an internet search and discover it as well.
You know this Corona 19 /SARS virus has HIV inserts, right?
Read that is a big clue it is manmade,
Someone with a brain. A rare animal in these days.
So what’s your strategy for handling this mess we’re in, including both the health issue and the economic disaster.
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