Corona Virus Thread #19

March 17th, 2020

[Mariner]

Thread #18 is here:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3825150/posts?page=1

[steve86]

I’m going to take 30mg of CBD to try and calm down about this.

[mrsmith]

“Police power...

https://thebuzz.iheart.com/content/2020-03-17-newark-woman-goes-on-the-run-after-testing-positive-for-covid-19/?Keyid=socialflow&Pname=local_social&Sc=editorial

Gave false name, tested positive and disappeared.
Probably has mental prob IMO.

[bgill]

TX

Dairy Queens in San Saba, Llano and Burnet counties closing inside dining. Drive thru window open. Marble Falls DQ inside dining still open.

This might make Subways put in a window.

[Bitman]

Not exactly legal either.

[Varsity Flight]

Dr. Sevrin

The Way to Eden

[cgbg]

friend who voted around 9 am in Tallahassee noted there was very little in the way of preventative hygiene - no effort to clean pens, no wipes, no one wearing gloves.

Lookner retweet

https://twitter.com/ElizLanders/status/1239999834624421888

[daniel1212]

Thanks. You may be interested in something I put together, by the grace of God.

Covid-19 cases as of 3-16-20 compared with 2018 death rates for the Flu.

While Covid-19 has hardly competed its run, nor has the flu, yet for comparison with the flu we have the morality rate for the flu per state in 2017-2018 and total deaths, which I have provided along side the latest Covid counts (3-16-20 ) to the table below. Additional stats on the 2019-2020 Flu season are provided below the the table.

During the 2017-2018 season, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza (P&I) was at or above the epidemic threshold for 16 consecutive weeks. Nationally, mortality attributed to P&I exceeded 10.0% for four consecutive weeks, peaking at 10.8% during the week ending January 20, 2018, (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.htm) with older Americans dying at a rate of 169 Americans a day, or seven people per hour. (https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2018/older-flu-deaths-rising.html

And according to a later report by the CDC, for 2017-2018 season 80,000 people died of the flu in U.S, the highest death toll in 40 years. (https://www.usnews.com/news/health-care-news/articles/2018-09-27/cdc-80-000-people-died-of-flu-complications-last-season-in-us)

Meanwhile, for Covid, the NYT (3-13) sounded this alarm: “Between 160 million and 214 million people in the U.S. could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to one projection. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.” (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/coronavirus-deaths-estimate.html)

Below is a list of states per currently reported COVID-19 infections (by NPR, as of 3-16-20) in comparison with population size (note that variations in reported cases are partly be due to how comprehensive testing can and has been done). Use an online calculator here, (see second row under “Percentage Calculator in Common Phrases,” and remove commas in population figure) for cases as a percent of population.

In any case, I pray that this crisis, both real and inflated, works to bring souls to realize the need for help from above, for repentance and mercy from God through faith in the risen Lord Jesus.

State	Population	COVID-19 cases	Percent of infections by capita	Deaths from COVID-19 (as of 3-12-20)	Deaths from Flu in 2017-2018 (last available data from CDC) Over 80k total. Deaths were at or above epidemic threshold for 16 consecutive weeks
Washington (19 tied to one nursing home )	7,614,893	904		48	930
New York	19,453,561	967		10	4,749
California	39,512,223	557		7	6,917
Massachusetts	6,949,503	197			1,441
Colorado	5,758,736	160		1	568
Georgia	10,617,423	121		1	1,530
Florida	21,477,737	155		5	3.091
Illinois	12,671,821	105			2,564
New Jersey	8,882,190	178		2	1,465
Texas	28,995,881	85			3,516
Oregon	4,217,737	39			530
Pennsylvania	12,801,989	77			2,887
Iowa	3,155,070	23			697
Louisiana	4,648,794	136		3	824
Maryland	6,045,680	41			973
North Carolina	10,488,084	38			2,064
District of Columbia	705,749	22			N/A
Indiana	6,732,219	25			1,118
Nebraska	1,934,408	18			394
South Carolina	5,148,714	33		1	882
Wisconsin	5,822,434	47			1,075
Arizona	7,278,717	18			1,116
Virginia	8,535,519	49		1	1.283
Kentucky	4,467,673	21			969
South Dakota	884,659	10		1	245
Nevada	3,080,156	45		1	527
Tennessee	6,833,174	52			1,646
Minnesota	5,639,632	54			698
New Hampshire	1,359,711	17			265
Rhode Island	1,059,361	21			192
New Mexico	2,096,829	17			365
Ohio	11,689,100	50			2,395
Connecticut	3,565,287	30			757
Utah	3,205,958	39			353
Hawaii	1,415,872	7			542
Michigan	9,986,857	53			1,869
Oklahoma	3,956,971	10			809
Vermont	623,989	12			87
Arkansas	3,017,825	22			670
Delaware	973,764	8			167
Kansas	2,913,314	11			630
Mississippi	2,976,149	13			910
Missouri	6,137,428	6			1,477
North Dakota	762,062	1			152
Wyoming	578,759	3			128
Alabama	4,903,185	29			1,268
Idaho	1,792,065	5			235
West Virginia	1,787,147	0			539
Maine	1,344,212	17			312
Montana	1,068,778	7			152
Alaska	731,545	1			68
Total (3-16)		4,556		85	Over 80k. Above totals may be less.

• As for the 2019-2020 Flu season:

2019-2020 Season Cumulative Rate per 100,000 Population
Overall	61.6
0-4 years	88.9
5-17 years	22.6
18-49 years	32.8
50-64 years	80.8
65+ years	159.4

• Among 2,867 hospitalized adults with information on underlying medical conditions, 92.3% had at least one reported underlying medical condition, the most commonly reported were cardiovascular disease, metabolic disorder, obesity, and chronic lung disease. Among 472 hospitalized children with information on underlying medical conditions, 48.3% had at least one underlying medical condition; the most commonly reported was asthma. Among 477 hospitalized women of childbearing age (15-44 years) with information on pregnancy status, 27.5% were pregnant. (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#ILIActivityMap)(Retrieved 3-17-20)

• Outpatient Illness: ILINet Visits to health care providers for influenza-like illness (ILI) decreased from 5.5% last week to 5.3% this week. All regions remain above their baselines.

• Hospitalizations: The overall cumulative hospitalization rate for the season increased to 61.6 per 100,000.

• P&I Mortality: The percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza is 7.1%, below the epidemic threshold of 7.3%.

• Pediatric Deaths: 8 [more] influenza-associated pediatric deaths occurring during the 2019-2020 season were reported this week. The total for the season is 144. - https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm (Retrieved 3-17-20)

[bgill]

You’re free to ask that to the dozen armed guys at the city limit sign. You won’t like their answer.

[central_va]

Central VA got hit hard . I took these pictures yesterday.

[cgbg]

Fine—hire a lawyer to argue with any armed guards you see at the checkpoint.

[Black Agnes]

https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/state-quarantine-and-isolation-statutes.aspx

Quarantine laws have been on the books, in every state, for hundreds of years.

We just haven’t had to use them in several generations.

[bgill]

https://www.scripps.edu/newsandviews/e_20060213/bleach.html

“Bleach can expire. After a shelf life of six months, bleach starts to degrade. Even in its original bottle, bleach becomes 20 percent less effective as each year goes by.”

As long as there is a drop in the jug, I’m using it. Better than nothing.

[steve86]

I have opened old but sealed bottles and it was basically just salt water.

I want to look up hydrogen peroxide also.

[Bitman]

Per your argument elimination of the armed guards by means of a .308 would also be acceptable. That would also happen, especially if we are to tolerate unlawful behavior.

I can only conclude that you advocate for anarchy.

[LilFarmer]

You know what ticks me off? The fact that the folks who were around here 4-6 weeks ago screaming that it was just the flu are the same ones holler if about the need for draconian measures. If the borders had been shut, and testing and contract tracing available, we wouldn’t be behind the curve. We warned folks the CDC was dropping the ball. I’m glad the President and VP solved the problem, but it’s here now and it is going to take severe measures to get it under control. And yes, I lay some of that blame squarely in the shoulders of the IJTFBs.

[BobL]

“CDC’s early guidance to hospitals and health care workers was a total disaster...If it is a new disease you _must_ assume it is aerosol without overwhelming evidence to the contrary.”

Of course. And did CDC do? They opened up the playbook and followed the plan. Except it didn’t occur to them that this virus was NOT SARS - they should have had an English Major in their ranks, as he would have told them that ‘novel’ means NEW in this context, not something Tom Clancey writes.

Glad none of my kids ever became doctors - given this bunch calling the shots.

[Bitman]

Quarantine laws, implemented by a legal authority are valid. A bunch of guys from the local pool are hardly a legal authority.

[cgbg]

There _will_ be military checkpoints.

Nobody _likes_ it, but quarantines are as American as apple pie.

[SoCalCynic]

“Okay. But here in Washington state we were testing 1000 per day with about 100 positive.

For the last couple days we have been testing 2500 per day with about 100 positive.

To me that indicates that percentage of positive cases is now falling. As of yesterday we had 904 positive and 11,582 negative.”

I’ve found these numbers fascinating over the last couple days. The increased testing numbers surely reflects the increased availability of testing. What strikes me most is the number of negative tests (92%). Not to minimize the extent of the COVID spread or the seriousness of the disease in some patients, but most of what people have is not COVID but colds/flu/other seasonal viruses. That I find somewhat reassuring.

[Black Agnes]

What ‘local pool’ are you talking about?

Which order, specifically, do you think is illegal?

You would be shocked to find out just how much power your state health officials really have.