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COVID-19 Update; 3/14/2020. A Message From Concerned Physicians
Howard Luks MD ^

Posted on 03/15/2020 7:44:54 AM PDT by griffin

Is it time to panic? NO.

This document is trying to help you to understand the situation at hand and not to terrify you. We want to make sure you understand the facts and understand what is at stake. This is a Pearl Harbor moment for our country. We are facing a real threat and we need to face it with all of our resources. When people decry the seriousness of this moment they are steering our country off a cliff, we need everyone to understand that this is important and if we work together to slow the spread we will get through this as we are learning from Singapore, Hong Kong, South Korea, and China.

The effectiveness of our healthcare system to deal with a sudden tsunami of respiratory illness is what is at risk. If our healthcare system buckles under the strain of tens of thousands of patients then we could be looking at a catastrophe.

(Excerpt) Read more at howardluksmd.com ...


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KEYWORDS: communityspread; coronavirus; covid19; kungflu; wuhansarscov2
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To: Jane Long

This is where you are apparently INCAPABLE of learning. President Trump had one of HIS experts yesterday say “Our numbers track South Korea.” I can do simple math, as I am educated in this field. So, I do not need to send this info to the president as I GOT the info from his experts.

Sad thing — in your ignorance you choose to be misled.


101 posted on 03/15/2020 9:08:08 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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To: Skywise
did I hit a nerve because I won’t submit to your sheepish mass hysteria?

It sounds as if you are the one triggered by this...

102 posted on 03/15/2020 9:08:28 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: DesertRhino
I tend to agree that things are escalating way out of proportion. A "Pearl Harbor" moment? More like a "pearl clutching" moment to me.

There's an interesting CoronaVirus website that I've been checking in on lately. I like this site because it just gives you the data - without all the emotion and drama.

As of this morning's update, there are now 80,995 cases documented in China with 3,085 deaths. 54,728 of those 80,995 are said to be now recovered.

Now even if you don't trust China's numbers, and wouldn't blame you if you didn't, the next most impacted country on the list is Italy with 21,157 cases and 1,411 deaths so far.

Certainly something to pay attention to and take precautions against. Would this be getting the same frenzied apocalyptic media coverage if Hillary was president and not Donald Trump? I would have to say most likely not.

103 posted on 03/15/2020 9:09:09 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (Trump (859); Slow Joe (527); Commie (476); Fake Indian (48); Drunken Weld (1))
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To: SamAdams76
As of this morning's update, there are now 80,995 cases documented in China with 3,085 deaths.

Are you accepting the China numbers as facts??

104 posted on 03/15/2020 9:09:58 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: SamAdams76

peril harboring


105 posted on 03/15/2020 9:10:57 AM PDT by going hot (happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: griffin

Doctors Without Borders scooted out of China in 2014. They are sending supplies though.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=youtube+boot+scoot+boogie&t=osx&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dd05tQrhNMkA


106 posted on 03/15/2020 9:11:00 AM PDT by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Are you accepting the China numbers as facts??

They almost certainly aren't, but anything else is pure supposition and, therefore, useless.

You could say "It's clearly 10 million!" and I could counter with "Idiot! It's got to be at least 100 million!" and still neither of us would have a damned clue, but at least we'd be really passionate about our blind guesses.

107 posted on 03/15/2020 9:12:23 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Plans are worthless, but planning is everything. - Dwight Eisenhower, 1957)
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To: iontheball

So let me help educate you and reduce you promulgating bad information. Varicella Zoster is NOT a reinfection as you state, the fact is that Varicella takes up a position in the Dorsal Root Ganglion (DRG) of the spinal column where sensory neurons live. This is a region of the body that is considered immunosequestered which means that the immune system does not cross into this region. When a patient gets Shingles, it is because of a immunosuppressed state that causes the rash to activate down a nerve root dermatome. This is exactly why Shingles can be traced to a region of the body and never crosses the midline (except in the rarest case of disseminated shingles when the immune system is completely obliterated)

Thus, while you do shed active varicella and primary chicken pox CAN be transmitted from the shingles, the shingles IS NOT a reinfection of the same virus, it is a loss of surveillance in the body which causes the process.


108 posted on 03/15/2020 9:12:38 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I already qualified the China numbers in my statement as probably not reliable - so obviously you did not read my entire post. Please stop being so knee-jerk emotional and try to read the entire post.


109 posted on 03/15/2020 9:12:56 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (Trump (859); Slow Joe (527); Commie (476); Fake Indian (48); Drunken Weld (1))
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To: goodnesswins

We are not quarantining yet.

However, we only go out to work and then maintain 6ft and hand sanitize as much as possible.

One daughter works in a assisted living place. We still need people to take care of the elderly there. So she’s making that sacrifice. But otherwise we are not going to the health club anymore, church or small group functions, and minimizing pics to the store for next 2-6 weeks We’re pretty much hunkered down at home when we’re not at work.


110 posted on 03/15/2020 9:13:00 AM PDT by griffin
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To: griffin

Conjecture, misstatement, and absolute nonsense. Please stop spreading your opinion as gospel fact.


111 posted on 03/15/2020 9:13:29 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Nope. I went to church and McDonalds today for breakfast after.

Oh my, I’m a plague carrier!


112 posted on 03/15/2020 9:14:15 AM PDT by Skywise
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To: gas_dr

You missed my point, about the economy, in your ‘ignorance’.

Take care, gas doc. I’ve said extra prayers, per POTUS’ request, for you/those in HC who are fighting this horrid disease, on the frontlines.


113 posted on 03/15/2020 9:14:28 AM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.cuase)
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To: Skywise

Nope. But please keep bumping the post Homer! ;)


114 posted on 03/15/2020 9:14:36 AM PDT by griffin
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To: Future Snake Eater

“ They almost certainly aren’t, but anything else is pure supposition and, therefore, useless.”

If you don’t accept them as facts, why use them as if it is true info?

Isn’t it just as useless to pretend the numbers from China are true?


115 posted on 03/15/2020 9:14:56 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Skywise

“ Oh my, I’m a plague carrier!”

Possibly.

“Typhoid Skywise” does have a ring to it!


116 posted on 03/15/2020 9:16:16 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Lagmeister

H1N1 not as aggressive respirationally, or N0. Not good comparison.


117 posted on 03/15/2020 9:16:46 AM PDT by griffin
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To: griffin

OMG, you really are into trying to scare people. 1-27+ incubation. Seriously. Let me educate you as to these statistics. The current incubation is thought to be from 3 - 14 days, with the mean incubation time being 5 days. Currently in the most serious cases time to hospitalization from symptoms is +1 day, and time to vent support is +2 days. What this means is that in the vast majority of cases that go critical, from time to infection to initiation of critical care is 7 days. You are citing the one statistical outlier of one case that “may have been 34 days”. However, if you read that study, the outlier may have had repeated exposures and the timeline may be wrong. Assuming as this disease seems to follow a Gaussian Curve of distribution in terms of time frame, your statement is TOTALLY irresponsible. 3 - 14 days is the current recommendations (hence the 14 day isolation if necessary). This is the science, I will await your usual tripe as to your anecdotal, self aggrandizing, self important statement being superior to the current state of the science.


118 posted on 03/15/2020 9:18:32 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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To: nascarnation

We also went out to dinner last night here in Fort Lauderdale. The restaurant is very upscale and on the water. It was packed, not a single empty table. Except for the run on the supermarkets, everything here seems pretty normal.


119 posted on 03/15/2020 9:18:59 AM PDT by surrey
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To: SamAdams76

“ I already qualified the China numbers in my statement as probably not reliable - so obviously you did not read my entire post. Please stop being so knee-jerk emotional and try to read the entire post.”

I asked a factual question and not an emotional one.

But why use numbers you admit are likely not true, then build on that falsehood.


120 posted on 03/15/2020 9:19:01 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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