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Would it have made a difference if they "chose" the other side?
1 posted on 02/02/2020 10:33:28 PM PST by nickcarraway
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Because footstools went out of style.


2 posted on 02/02/2020 10:39:53 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult
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https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ee/bc/cc/eebccca93f7aebc362aea335453929bd—ottoman-empire-history-jokes.jpg


3 posted on 02/02/2020 10:41:32 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult
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Because it was full of Muslims?

Not the most adaptive people in the world.


4 posted on 02/02/2020 10:42:08 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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Plenty of reasons why America is failing.

The Ottoman Empire falling pretty much led to world wars and destruction to this day. The fall of the USA would be cataclysmic.

5 posted on 02/02/2020 10:42:51 PM PST by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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No.
It was based on slavery. Didn’t matter what side they were on.

The world would no longer accept slavery as an economic basis.


6 posted on 02/02/2020 10:45:52 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts (M / F) : Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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One reason, Islam.


7 posted on 02/02/2020 10:48:07 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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Illiteracy and lack of industry are key elements. In order to be somehow successful a metropoly needs to have some appeal among constituents. Turkey lacked in cultural and economic senses and it became especially critical in the era of technologies. They went downhill starting 18th century.
Modern Turkey is still underperforming because of poor education. There are too much illiterate bums doing stupid jobs or outright doing nothing. The environment allows to absent from a rat race which they luckily do. Then they blame Arabs for taking their jobs or Russians embargoed their exports or Jews ‘directing’ all the above.


9 posted on 02/02/2020 10:51:34 PM PST by NorseViking
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What happened? Islam happened. This means backwardness, lack of education, falling woefully behind technologically, corruption on a massive scale. In short all the things that mark the Muslim world today. The only difference is that some of them pitched their tents over some of the biggest oilfields on earth.


12 posted on 02/02/2020 10:55:20 PM PST by FLT-bird
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"It wasn’t cohesive enough"

Wait... I thought... I mean, I thought diversity was a strength. What do you mean it was too diverse? How can that be!!!
14 posted on 02/02/2020 10:57:07 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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You don’t need 6 reasons. It usually boils down to just one. They had to pay off European creditors. Everything else follows.


18 posted on 02/02/2020 11:08:34 PM PST by webheart
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The Ottoman Empire was already falling apart before World War One. It was in the process of losing the Balkans piece by piece.

All that the war did is finish it off, the same as it did the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

No one today even seems to know that the Austro-Hungarian Empire existed, despite the fact that the assassination of one of its royal family ignited the whole mess.


19 posted on 02/02/2020 11:09:47 PM PST by Pelham (RIP California, killed by massive immigration)
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I would add corruption of the sultans to the above list. Up until 1600, the Ottoman Empire was the most efficient state Islam had ever produced. Part of the reason for this was a law that required every sultan coming to the throne to murder his brothers, so there wouldn’t be any dispute over who was the rightful ruler. That worked until Mohammed III became sultan in 1595, and all nineteen of his brothers were strangled. After that, the authorities figured there must be a way to ensure a smooth succession without a bloodbath. From then on, all princes were kept isolated in different parts of the imperial palace, the Topkapi Saray, so they wouldn’t plot against each other, while the crown prince was locked up in a two-story tower called the Cage. Here the crown prince stayed until he were either called to the throne, or until somebody ended his miserable life. If a sultan was deposed, he would usually be returned to the Cage, too. Some heirs died of old age here, and at least one ex-sultan and one heir committed suicide in the Cage.

The last sultan, Mohammed VI, endured the longest prison sentence of all; he was fifty-six years old when he became sultan, and up to that point he had spent his whole life in the harem and the Cage. In the Cage, the prince’s only companions were deaf-mute servants—mutilated so that they could neither hear nor tell secrets—and just enough concubines to keep him busy. Consequently when the sultan came out and was crowned, he had no experience running the nation. In addition, their bodies and minds had stagnated for up to half a lifetime, so it’s no surprise that most of the latter sultans were incompetent.


23 posted on 02/02/2020 11:24:09 PM PST by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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I’m pretty sure it was Trump’s fault=-


25 posted on 02/02/2020 11:39:00 PM PST by Bob434
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One and only reason the Ottoman empire fell, MOSLEM.


29 posted on 02/03/2020 12:23:25 AM PST by exnavy (american by birth and choice, I love this country!)
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1. Islam

2. Islam

3. Islam

4. Islam

5. Islam

6. Islam

34 posted on 02/03/2020 2:39:10 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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I just finished memorizing the 7 causes of the War of 1812, and now I have to learn this? ;-)


35 posted on 02/03/2020 3:45:49 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (To be added to my Liberal Media Criticism ping list, just ask in a comment or FReep mail.)
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Diversity! Also the reason Rome collapsed, according to Gibbons and Montesquieu. As I keep pointing out to my liberal acquaintances, diversity is destructive. Instead of celebrating diversity, or things which make us different, we should celebrate uni-versity, the things that make us alike.


36 posted on 02/03/2020 4:06:02 AM PST by Hootowl
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It was corruption that brought it down: https://prezi.com/ip_eg-24lfrj/corruption-of-officials-in-the-ottoman-empire/

And we better be thankful for Trump as corruption under the DemocRATS was metastasizing.

37 posted on 02/03/2020 4:06:58 AM PST by CptnObvious (Question her now.)
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Six Reasons Why the Ottoman Empire Fell

Reason #1: Islamists apply 6th century reasoning to 20th century problems.

Reason #2-6: See reason #1.

38 posted on 02/03/2020 4:07:31 AM PST by JonPreston
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The same thing that did in Rome: It's bureaucracy.

But we won't mention that, eh? 😄

40 posted on 02/03/2020 4:16:09 AM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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