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Amber Guyger found guilty of murder in fatal shooting of Botham Jean
Fox4 News ^ | 10/01/209

Posted on 10/01/2019 10:33:27 AM PDT by Envisioning

DALLAS - A former Dallas police officer who fatally shot an unarmed man in his apartment was found guilty of murder by a Dallas County jury on Tuesday.

Guyger was off-duty but still in uniform after a long shift when she shot Botham Jean, a 26-year-old accountant from the Caribbean nation of St. Lucia. Murder carries a sentence of five to 99 years. The punishment phase, which will start Tuesday afternoon, will determine just how long her sentence will be.

Cheers erupted in the courthouse as the verdict was announced, and someone yelled "Thank you, Jesus!" In the hallway outside the courtroom where Guyger was tried, a crowd celebrated and said "black lives matter" in raised voices. When the prosecutors walked into the hall, they broke into cheers.


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To: fwdude
But she was not INTENDING to shoot an innocent man in his own apartment.

Twisting words. She did INTEND to shoot who she thought was a burglar in her apartment.

Bullet trajectory revealed he was shot while getting up from the couch or while cowering away from her.

She shot before ascertaining the situation.

81 posted on 10/01/2019 12:41:33 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: fwdude
Look up the elements of the offense for both in the Penal Code and, if you are intellectually honest, you’ll see that neither of these would meet the definitions.

To be convicted of criminal trespass in Texas, the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you entered or remained on the property belonging to another person without his or her consent. Also, you have to have been on notice that your entry was not allowed, or you received such notice but failed to vacate. A closed door would be notice that your entry was not allowed, to any intellectually honest person.

To be convicted of burglary in Texas, the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you entered a private residence or part of another type of building that the public did not have access to and while there you committed or attempted to commit a felony, theft, or an assault. She entered a private residence and shot a man, which any intellectually honest person would admit is a felony in anyone's book.

82 posted on 10/01/2019 12:42:58 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Again, intent and lack of knowledge, is a relevant factor.


83 posted on 10/01/2019 12:47:31 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

You have Senate hearings on baseball players using steroids & Clemens almost went to prison. But they will NEVER, ever test a cop. ‘Roid rage is obviously an issue.

40 years ago the suburban cops used to harass me all the time (I worked nights). I was a good little conservative & couldn’t figure out why so many of these public servants were nuts. Back then, it was cocaine. Now, it’s ‘roids.


84 posted on 10/01/2019 12:53:09 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Stawp the hammering!)
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To: cherry

He died while she was criminal trespassing (a felony in Texas). Criminal trespass is entering a property without consent.
Automatic murder charge if someone dies while a person is commiting a crime in Texas.
She also failed to render aid.


85 posted on 10/01/2019 12:54:06 PM PDT by waterhill (I Shall Remain, in spite of __________.)
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To: Envisioning

How did she come to have a key to his apartment? Didn’t she notice it wasn’t hers the minute she opened the door?


86 posted on 10/01/2019 12:57:39 PM PDT by Inkie
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To: fwdude
And I agree, manslaughter, or even less, criminally negligent homicide, would have been a more appropriate charge. That’s why the murder conviction is so over-the-top and will likely be overturned on appeal.

The jury was free to choose to convict on manslaughter or murder. They chose murder. On what grounds can this be appealed?

87 posted on 10/01/2019 12:57:45 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: fwdude
>>>Criminal intent MUST be apparent and proven. It wasn’t.

That is not correct. Mens Rea is not required. I will agree that normally it is, but not in this case and here is why: She entered the residence, without consent and committed a felony (30.02.a.3). It's not tied to the intent to commit burglary. It's tied to the offense against the person (19.02). And thus, 19.02 is then tied to 30.02 and that's why it's murder.

And no - I'm not an "arm-chair" lawyer. We have actually discussed this case at length in my criminal justice classes, taught by aw professors here in Texas. I am using my post 9-11 GI Bill to get my Criminal Justice degree after I retired from the military. We have GREAT discussions about the fact that they may have over-charged her. But as you know Texas does not have a 1st/2nd-degree murder charge. I was personally believing they would have been better off with a "Criminally Negligent Homicide" charge. But my prof and another law enforcement officer in the class explained very clearly why they went this route. It made sense and they predicted it would stick. They were right.

88 posted on 10/01/2019 12:58:15 PM PDT by NELSON111 (Congress: The Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog s<how. Theater for sheep. My politics determines my "hero")
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To: TexasGator

“How?”

Criminal trespass is a felony in Texas.


89 posted on 10/01/2019 12:58:28 PM PDT by waterhill (I Shall Remain, in spite of __________.)
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To: cherry
she killed someone....it was not on purpose....

...and? She trespassed - a felony in itself. She then killed a man minding his own business in his home.

By Texas law, she is guilty of murder. She belongs in prison for many years to come. Imagine if she'd marched into your house uninvited and shot someone you loved for no good reason.
90 posted on 10/01/2019 1:01:23 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Gumdrop

Unlike others I will actually answer your question instead of giving you a lecture on my opinion of the matter.

Yes manslaughter was an option. It was not charged, but the judge gave the jury the option in her final instructions.


91 posted on 10/01/2019 1:03:03 PM PDT by hirn_man
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To: outpostinmass2

“Even if he survived to tell his story, there would be a trial.”

That would be up to the grand jury to decide in Texas.


92 posted on 10/01/2019 1:03:27 PM PDT by waterhill (I Shall Remain, in spite of __________.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
The jury was free to choose to convict on manslaughter or murder. They chose murder. On what grounds can this be appealed?

Sure, they were technically free to convince on any of the different degrees of homicide, or to exonerate of the charges completely. But do you honestly think that each, if not most, jurors didn’t feel at least the shadow of duress during the trial? Each is known, or can be known, and murderous BLM goons would have no compunction about exacting their own “street justice” against any dissenters.

It can be appealed on the basis of TESTIMONY of law enforcement professionals questioned, that they saw that the incident did NOT rise to the level of a crime, at least not to the higher level of “murder.” That was a fatal mistake in this case, but the jurors saw that the mob wanted their pound of flesh, and so gave them what they wanted.

93 posted on 10/01/2019 1:11:43 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: waterhill

“Criminal trespass is a felony in Texas.”

Nope.


94 posted on 10/01/2019 1:16:34 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: NELSON111

“She entered a habitation illegally. “

You dont know that.

Besides, trespassing is not a felony.


95 posted on 10/01/2019 1:18:56 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: NELSON111

“She committed the crime when she entered his apartment without his consent. Again - it doesn’t matter if it is a mistake. “

Cite the statute that entering someone’s abode is a crime.


96 posted on 10/01/2019 1:21:28 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: NELSON111

” For instance, if you enter my habitation by accident and I kill you, I have a justification defense regardless of your mens rea in this state because I may not have time to establish it.”

If you do you better get a real lawyer. I suggest that if younrally believe that, go talk to some lawyers before you get into serious trouble.


97 posted on 10/01/2019 1:27:29 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: TexasGator

You are right, not a felony.

But if someone dies while criminally trespassing, then murder can be charged to the trespasser.


98 posted on 10/01/2019 1:32:25 PM PDT by waterhill (I Shall Remain, in spite of __________.)
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To: waterhill

“But if someone dies while criminally trespassing, then murder can be charged to the trespasser.”

GEEZ. CITE THE STATUTE!!!!


99 posted on 10/01/2019 1:35:00 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Envisioning

For YEARS...I have ALWAYS kept my doors locked at all times when inside my townhouse. ALWAYS.

She is very negligent and should go to prison for a long time, but the victim probably would be alive if he simply locked his door while enjoying ice cream.

By the way, I personally have a thing for chocolate chip ice cream. When I am with my ice cream, the doors are f’in LOCKED.


100 posted on 10/01/2019 1:35:18 PM PDT by Sapwolf (Talkers are usually more articulate than doers, since talk is their specialty. -Sowell)
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