Posted on 05/27/2019 3:20:24 PM PDT by MNDude
There are thousands of people who have made the world a better place to live. Many died before they were old and some would might be great to have around for a lot longer.
Which three historic people do you wish could have lived another 30 years?
Thomas Edison? Rod Sterling? Shakespeare? John Paul II? You get the point.
They launched that war to keep funneling the South's production through the hands of the Crony Capitalist "establishment". Same people we are fighting today.
Agree. Breitbart. He would’ve done amazing things for years.
I didn't know Adams lived to 90. And didn't his wife outlive him? She musta been hella old. I did know that he died on July 4, the very same day as Thomas Jefferson. Which is kinda fascinating if you think about it, for a couple of reasons.
As usual, you ARE the man.
I've heard this "slavery spread" theory all my life and I used to believe it until I wondered what a modern cotton map looked like.
What I discovered is that slavery could not have spread. Neither Cotton nor Tobacco will grow in any of the territories slavery could have expanded to, at least not for another 60 years or so it would take to make modern irrigation pumps.
The simple truth is that in 1860, slavery could not spread. It was literally impossible.
cotton grows in California I think they still have fields in so cal, in Kern county.
California. California’s cotton is mostly grown in seven counties within the San Joaquin Valley, though Imperial Valley and Palo Verde Valley also have acres planted. In the 1990s cotton was also planted in the Sacramento Valley. California is the largest producer of Pima cotton in the United States.
Why do you associate expansion of slavery with growing cotton. Surely slaves can be put to other uses.
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California was already a "free" state, wasn't it? Apart from that, I am told that the cotton grown in California is grown because of irrigation pumps that carry the water and distribute it. They didn't have such a system in 1860. I'm thinking it was at least the 1920s before such stuff was developed.
I am also assured that everything in west Texas and further west, is only grown as a result of irrigation systems which did not exist, and would not exist for many decades into the future.
Why do you associate expansion of slavery with growing cotton. Surely slaves can be put to other uses.
Cotton was the primary cash crop using slaves. Why would you put them in the territories to make piddling amounts of money when they could make far more money in the cotton or tobacco fields? Bad investment.
If you look up the wikipedia entry on New Mexico territory, I believe it says there was 12 slaves in the entire territory, and that's when it extended all the way to California!
Abigail Adams lived to be 73 and died of typhoid fever.
One of my favorite “age” stories involves the children of President John Tyler, the 10th President of the United States. That’s six before Lincoln by my count.
Anyway, the last time that I checked a couple of his grandsons were still alive. Not his great grandsons, or his great-great-grandsons, but his for real grandsons.
I just checked, Harrison Ruffin Tyler is still with us at 91. Didn’t see anything about his brother.
President Tyler was an interesting guy. One of the four Whigs to be President. He was also elected to the Confederate Congress but died before he could be seated.
My Dad.
He wasn’t historical.
He wasn’t Hysterical.
But I miss the hell out of him.
Thanks. Never seen that. Old Joe Kennedy put it into his boy’s head that the Irish were not respected & his revenge on the Brahmin class was to open up immigration...though I doubt JFK thought there would ever be a flood of millions, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions as they say.
What I discovered is that slavery could not have spread. Neither Cotton nor Tobacco will grow in any of the territories slavery could have expanded to, at least not for another 60 years or so it would take to make modern irrigation pumps.
The simple truth is that in 1860, slavery could not spread. It was literally impossible.
Those are your statements which are incorrect. Plenty to do in the west and the use of slaves would save money. Shipping, Mining, constuction, farming, cattle sheep and so on.
The problem is that for 25 years the south was fighting to do one and one state admissions. That would be one slave and one free state to keep the balance in the congress so that slavery would not be abolished.
When Lincoln ran he was not for continuing one and one admissions and the south was worried. Thats why southerners tried to assassinate him at the Baltimore train station when he switched trains coming to DC for the first inauguration. Pinkerton unraveled the plot and probably saved Lincoln’s life.
But stay there was no use for slaves is inaccurate and a false assumption tying that use to just tobacco and cotton.
Plus he was married to the lovely Edie Adams; in the "making of" materials on the DVD of "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World", some voice noted that the movie was her first role after Ernie's death. Kovacs had some tax problems before that..
JFK.
Had he lived he would not have been idolized.
His weakness would have been exposed.
Had he won, and/or survived as a support and figurehead for the democratic forces, and they'd beaten the Reds, it would have been a much better world.
Am, I the first to say James Madison?
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When enough people are the same kind of nuts, they aren’t nuts.
Bullsh*t. If you had bothered to spend an actual 5 seconds contemplating his, you would realize that with 15 slave states in the Union, it would take an additional 45 states in the Union to abolish slavery. 3/4ths vote for amendments, remember?
Slavery wasn't going anywhere, and all the bullsh*t i've heard over the years about "expanding" it is just that. Bullsh*t.
The facts of the case are this. New York and Washington DC had acquired enough power in congress to control virtually al the south's export production and import money. They had rigged the system so the south was paying the vast majority of all the taxes, while also enriching the New York power barons.
Allowing any other state to elect representatives that were allied with the Southern states might break up this flow of money they had rigged, and they were *NEVER* going to allow that to happen.
The South was producing 3/4ths of all trade with Europe, and New York and Washington DC people were getting rich off of it. So long as they could keep control of congress, they could make sure the South remained their milk cow. Southern independence threatened to break up this little money game, and *THAT* is why the North went to war.
Lincoln offered them even further protection for slavery, but it didn't change their minds at all. It did prove one thing. The Northern states did not give a crap about the continuation of slavery. And why not? They were making more money off of slavery than were the Southern states!
And life expectancy was 40 something.
He lived well beyond his years.
WHY???? Of all people.
And I ask as an alumnus of Cornell Arts and Sciences.
OK—better him than Lincoln, but still
Why FDR? That is a worse suggestion than Sagan.
your position is illogical. If the south wasn’t worried about simple vote than why was all the fuss for 25 years.
I don’t say slavery WAS going anywhere I said that slavery COULD flourish somewhere where there wasn’t tobacco or cotton. you seem indirectly deny this simple obvious point.
That is the only point made and you cannot wrap your head around your own illogic.
Additionally you may need to bone up on other issues in the country impacting slavery and stop using the old saw the south uses to justify their practice of holding other human beings as slaves and tonight a war that killed so many americans.
https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/abolitionist-movement
https://www.historynet.com/abolitionist-movement
If you admit the error of your original statement about tobacco and cotton, I may respond to your next reply. Otherwise, good night.
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