Well...is it petrol or diesel? The two fuels have different CO2 emmission figures.
Posted on 04/29/2019 12:05:19 PM PDT by Moonman62
Volkswagen has crunched the numbers to show electric cars produce lower CO2 emissions than petrol- or diesel-engined models, for the entire lifespan of the vehicle.
While it may be clear that an electric car produces no direct CO2 emissions when driving, Volkswagen has demonstrated the wider savings through use of a ‘certified life cycle assessment’ process.
The company has taken the all-electric e-Golf, and the traditional diesel-engined Golf TDI, to demonstrate just how substantial the differences can be over the whole life of a car.
(Excerpt) Read more at motoringresearch.com ...
I think hybrids work and that is what people should be choosing.
“So who the hell cares what the ‘carbon footprint’ is of anything!??”
A US of 340 million people isn’t much of a CO2 emission problem, but the globalists want to push US population above one billion people by importing Third World people.
The current Wall Street profit off a Third World resident might be around $50/year. Import those residents to the USA and Wall Street profits per person might soar 40-fold.
“expand the power grid by 50%”
There are lots of bottlenecks.
The grid is only one, and that 50% seems on the low side to me.
electric powerplants are 50% efficient?? I have A power plant operator/ thermodynamics minor and nuclear power plant comstuction operation minor education and experience. The best power plants ones run in the high 30’s ..Sooo.. did you go to school for power plant cycle education? Ever heard of a rankine cycle? A mollier diagram? Whats the difference between and impulse and a reaction turbine? which is more efficient and whats the best use for each?.. Wiki is not always a good source for info..
Zero to sixty ONCE like that, then a Corolla could give it a run until it cools off or is recharged.
You electric golf kart zealots are such a hoot, endlessly defending and pimping the damn things.
One dimensional attitude.
Ignoring the fact that we are a carbon based life form and CO2 is NOT a greenhouse gas, it is conveniently ignored how much toxicity is involved the manufacture and disposal of electric vehicles. They are nasty. Cobalt, nickel, chromium etc.
My BIL’s idiot commie wife thinks that because they have solar panels on their house and the electricity is “free” (it’s not after spending $16,000 on the panels) that makes the electric car more environmentally friendly.
In addition the highly polluting mining of the metals/minerals for the cars, the only thing that makes solar panels at all feasible is the fact they are made in China and none of the toxic waste and pollution caused by their mfg has to be dealt with here. She has no concept of the cost of the panels were they made here and the mfgs had to comply with US environmental standards. Electric cars are simply exporting death and pollution to the 3rd world the libs can feel good about themselves. Something that the left does not give a good damn about.
That their electric cars are causing serious health problems *outside* the US means nothing. After all, they’re just ignorant, dark skinned 3rd world children anyway, Right?
Sorry Brian, Im a little wound up today. No excuse, just a reason.
Heck, following the 2009 mid-south ice storm, many people’s electricity was down for a week, and a few a lot longer. There were still generators running 3 weeks later, just up the road from us...
If the New Madrid fault was to let go in the manner it did in 1811-12 (repetitive major and near-major quakes) for many months, parts of the region’s electric supply very likely would be mostly down for up to a year. It’s a big region, too: the ground waves travel very efficiently...
“Siemens unveiled its new HL-class, the next generation of larger air-cooled gas turbines that represents a push for higher power plant efficiency “ a must for operators nowadays “ with the gas turbines realizing more than 63% efficiency in combined-cycle operation, and moving towards the 65% mark.”
https://dieselgasturbine.com/new-class-gas-turbines/#.XMdYnuRYbNM
Your “high 30’s” probably does represent the typical reality of the installed base, however.
gas turbines cannot supply the power a coal fired or nuclear power plant. how mant gas turbines can run for 2 years supplying a 1000mw without stop? how many can even supply 1000mw? Gas turbines are a small temporary power supply.
My Viper is a classic and it’s not the only non-appliance car in my garage.
Would hot women want to ride in your faggot electric “car” or my Viper? ;)
Gas turbines can be much more efficient than conventional steam power plants. I see they can make 400mw and adding a 200mw steam cycle to the exhaust would be a total of 600 mw.
But gas just aint that cheap right now.
Well...is it petrol or diesel? The two fuels have different CO2 emmission figures.
Pretty much every source of electricity does a better job of emmisions reductions, at a lower price, than a car can.
There is no doubt that, on an operating basis, a battery-operated electric car generates less C02.
The question is whether the mining and manufacturing process for the batteries generates more C02 than the lifetime savings from operation. And when people try to answer that question “no”, they invariably count every last cost of the parts that go into the electric car, and then do nOT count the cost in C02 for mining operations to pull up coal, or the C02 costs in pumping oil, or in building dams for hydroelectric plants, or manufacturing the solar panels or collectors for solar power.
In other words, if you really want to know whether the life cycle of a battery-operated electric car is less C02-intensive than the “average” gas-powered car, or diesel car, you probably will not be able to find any study that has correctly compared them.
That study appears to have ignored the C02 costs for the production and use of the diesel used — they seem to think that just counting the diesel itself is sufficient, while counting the mining costs for the electric batteries.
I think it is funny when people hate on electric cars because of their political point of view.
If you have an electric car, you have the possibility of powering this car from multiple sources of energy — almost ANY energy we have can be converted to electricity.
But have fun trying to get that stream behind your house to give you gas for your car, if you needed to.
Electric cars have fewer moving parts, less wear on those parts, including the brakes, and in general are less prone to breakdown (but when they do, not likely to be fixed in your backyard).
They CAN have much more power and agility. They easily can be programed to provide superior traction (Nothing is quite as fun as being able to move slightly uphill on a sheet of ice, because of how the engine can literally pulse your tires in 1-inch increments, while the gas car is almost hopelessly lost trying to play games with the clutch on the transmission to get a slow start out of an engine that can’t spin at less than 600 RPM without stalling).
You’d be crazy not to have a generator if you had an electric car.
But assuming you DID have such a generator, you’d be back on the road, while your gas-powered neighbors would be out of luck until the power was restored so the local gas stations could pump them their fuel.
The beauty of electric is that you can generate electricity many different ways; I could envison a system that combined solar, natural gas, and propane as a backup to the electric grid; use the natural gas so long as the gas company can deliver it, then switch over to propane, but use the solar in daytime whenever you have it to stretch out your propane.
And during those months, you work on building the hydro plant on the stream that runs through your neighborhood; or you finally set up that wind turbine you bought but didn’t have time to play with.
It is almost impossible to be “off the grid” with a gas-powered car. You can pretend you are, but even if you put in a couple-thousand-gallon gas storage facility (good luck with the permits in some places), you have a definite end point.
Yea, I’m thinking that repeating the government line is one of the deals the VW execs had to make to minimize their jail time. I wouldn’t trust this for a minute.
REALLY!
The Ifo Institute researchers found that other technologies, however, offer great potential, for example hydrogen electric cars or combustion enginespowered by "green” methane.
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