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Posted on 04/10/2019 10:11:03 AM PDT by romanesq
During the 2018 Midterms in the United States, strange signs started appearing at political rallies. Held up by non-descript attendees, the signs read simply, “We are Q.” For those Trekkers out there, you might be confused: no, these rallygoers were not making an oblique reference to the infamous Star Trek: The Next Generation character portrayed by John de Lancie. The group appeared from the fringes of internet chat rooms, such as on the website of 4Chan, a peculiar mixture of cyberpunks and various online misfits.
“Q” is derived from an anonymous poster on the internet forum, a source claiming to have a top secret clearance with the U.S. intelligence community. This person (or group of people) spun an intricate conspiracy theory that many Far Right activists on gonzo internet forums picked up and began disseminating to wider audiences online and in their communities.
The conspiracy goes like this: the real purpose of the Robert Mueller special counsel investigation was not to investigate Donald Trump, but instead to investigate Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and people like former Hillary Clinton campaign chairman, John Podesta. The QAnon conspiracy theory is far-reaching, with new pieces added with regularity, in the form of what Q supporters refer to as “breadcrumbs.” One such addition to the conspiracy theory last year was that the Mueller probe was also looking into the now-deceased Senator John McCain (R-AZ) for his illegal activities.
What is the ultimate end of the QAnon conspiracy; what does Mueller hope to achieve, according to them?
That part, like most conspiracy theories, is conveniently not knowable. The Mueller investigation, having ended in a whimper rather than the bang the Trump-hating Fake News was hoping for, should have been the end of the QAnon conspiracy theory. QAnon conspiracy theorists have simultaneously argued that the ultimate target of the Mueller investigation is either the “Deep State” of nefarious anti-American, globalist actors, or the aim is to pursue high-profile pedophiles in the United States government and in other powerful circles related to the government.
QAnon’s Pernicious Connections to “Pizzagate”
Now for the most pernicious aspect of the QAnon conspiracy theory. In 2016, conspiracists on 4Chan and other similar fringe messaging boards claimed that the emails stolen from Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s (and subsequently made public by WikiLeaks) contained secret messages referring to a powerful ring of pedophiles who were using a local Washington, D.C. pizzeria as a base of operations to conduct their crimes. None of these claims were true. But, what ended up happening was that the highly irresponsible conspiracy theory triggered a mentally unstable man, who in turn took a gun to a D.C. pizzeria with intent to use it.
The source material for these theories is the vile, uber-fringe 4Chan and 8Chan. 4Chan was launched in 2003 as a place to share images and discuss Japanese anime. In fact, it was modeled on the Japanese anime internet boards, such as Futaba Channel. Over time, though, the already eclectic group of online personalities that 4Chan attracted devolved into something darker. It became a haven for crazed conspiracy theorists from both sides of the political divide. 4Chan also became popular among the white nationalist community, and also became a place for hackers and other criminals–including child pornographers. If there was a Hell on the internet, 4Chan was Hell.
Meanwhile, a similar website, created by gonzo software developer, Frederick Brennan, 8Chan was launched in 2013 as a response to what Brennan believed was the rise in authoritarianism, censorship, and surveillance on 4Chan. Despite the fact that 8Chan has become the 3,857th most viewed website in the world, with an average of 35,000 unique visitors per day and 400,000 original posts per day, it too has become mired in controversy. 8Chan, which has been billed as the more libertarian (though, perhaps libertine would be better) 4Chan, has apparently become a hub of international child pornography postings. This became such a problem that, in 2015, 8Chan was blacklisted by Google search. It is a profound understatement to claim that anything positive or good comes from these boards. Yet, it is precisely from sites like these that the “Pizzagate” and now the QAnon conspiracy theories emanate.
Alternative media figures, such as Mike Cernovich, have also furthered the “Pizzagate” and QAnon conspiracy theories. Some of these individuals have massive social media followings. With big internet names furthering the conspiracies, it was only a matter of time before disaster struck. In 2016, when the pizzeria shooting happened, several media outlets attempted to lay the blame at the feet of people like Cernovich. This only gave the Fake News Industrial Complex more fuel in their ongoing war against President Trump and the Right.
The very same group of internet Alt-Right activists and online forums that furthered the “Pizzagate” conspiracy have also spread the QAnon conspiracy theory.
Here are some of the other bizarre, totally inaccurate predictions that QAnon has made:
01/21/18 – A flood was alleged to be coming. A flood consisting of various forms of media that I imagine were supposed to implicate somebody in something nefarious. Sadly, this flood never came.
01/21/18 – Q makes some very certain claims about the Nunes Memo, which of course do not come remotely true when the memo is released a couple weeks later.
01/22/18 – Q posts a confirmed fake Podesta email, then promptly deletes it. But not before his followers have time to notice. 02/09/18 – Next week [Next week] was declared ‘suicide weekend‘. Nothing came to pass.
02/21/18 – Q predicts that the founder of Twitter is removing accounts because he and his Deep State friends are in deep trouble. Nothing came to pass.
03/15/18 – Q declares ‘March Madness’ and that ‘the public will soon know’. Nothing came to pass.
04/02/18 – April was supposed to be a “BIG month“, full of happenings including but not limited to arrests, the release of the IG report, the wall, “military start”, and unsealed indictments. Nothing came to pass.
Where Does QAnon Go From Here?
Things have gotten even stranger for the QAnon conspiracists now that Special Counsel Robert Mueller has submitted his final report. While the report has not yet been made public, Attorney General William Barr has seen it, and he has issued a summary of the report.
AG Barr explains that Mueller has not proven any collusion or coordination between President Donald Trump, his top 2016 campaign staffers, and Russian intelligence. The focus of the investigation was Donald Trump and his 2016 presidential campaign. Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Podesta, or even John McCain were not targets of the Mueller probe in any way as Q promised.
The fact that the QAnon conspiracy theory is tied in with the “Pizzagate” fiasco is bad enough. The more damaging part is that these cult-like actors link themselves to the Trump movement, despite the fact that no member of the Trump movement has anything to do with these insane theories. They are the outgrowth of a pathetic group who exist online, in the dark corners of the worldwide web. That they have attached their delusions to the Trump movement is unfortunate.
But, they do not represent and are not affiliated with President Trump, his supporters, or those who work for the president.
Recently, some Q supporters have insisted that certain pictures of President Trump and key advisers in the White House “prove” that they are, in fact, members of the Q conspiracy because their positioning makes it appear as though they are displaying subliminal messages about Q. These internet personalities claim to be supporting the President. Yet, consistently, their actions have shown that they are not allies of the President. They damage and besmirch the Trump movement with their irresponsible actions.
In that their actions, both directly and indirectly, aid those who would do damage to the Make America Great Again Agenda and see it fail. Whoever Q or QAnon may be, they are most decidedly not close to the President, they are not Conservatives, and with every post they make, they subvert the MAGA Agenda.
“Thanks for the info about Gorkas getting paid by the MAGA Coalition.”
My pleasure. Maga Coaliton also paid Sara Palin and others for another event too.
This is all public information and people can look it up easily themselves.
Maybe, maybe not. Let’s see what the IRS and DOJ think.
As long as you are reporting your income the IRS should not care. I hope that the iRS isn't now going to start acting like Google and Facebook. and use tax laws to attack people with weird, dissident or even absurdly wrong views. Obama's IRS did that, I hope Trump has fixed that and they are back to being tax collectors.
As for the DOJ, I think it's a stretch to say a LARP is a crime. Lots of people use pseudonyms and make claims for backgrounds they don't have on the Web. It seems far below any threshold I can imagine for prosecution.
I would really object to it, and I'm not a Q-believer. But I am a first-amendment believer.
There’s a reason the shills are out and loud now.
Just remember who they are.
On point #1, I knew it was a done deal before the summit also, as did any experienced observer - the summit wouldn’t have happened if it weren’t.
Point #2 seems interesting and a good deal more something that couldn’t be a lucky ass-pull. I would be interested in more details about that.
I wrote that tongue in cheek.
I read Q stuff. But there has been such a drought that the stuff filling in the gap times are a little tough to read. That said, i’ve Not seen any kiddie porn on any of those sites. If you are not looking for it...you don’t find it.
Toss everything out there. Use your brain and look for proof. The Internet hasn’t changed much since I was reading Mufon boards in 1995.
If Gorka was a 'TRUE MAGA' he wouldn't be gone. That's just simple mathematics. Unless you believe Trump himself isn't "true MAGA".
In conclusion, Gorka is not a TRUE MAGA or he's still be at the White House.
Case closed.
See, soya? Less CAN be more.
“But I am a first-amendment believer.”
I’m with you Jack Black. Are we solely on the question of the First Amendment? If so, then I’m 100% in agreement with you.
But are you allowed to impersonate a police officer? Are you allowed to impersonate US military intelligence for the purposes of “decoding” your own posts to defraud the public? (In this case, defrauding Trump supporters?)
I’m not so sure but I believe this is being looked into currently so maybe we’ll find out.
Also, that preying insect character tried to call “decoding” part of his religious church and tax exempt. I’m not so sure that will fly. Perhaps we’ll learn more about that too.
I heard you and enjoyed the humor Vermont Lt.
I read that stuff but now see it’s just an awful scam targeting Baby Boomers. Others are coming forward with the details and I anticipate like the Russia Collusion Hoax, we’re going to see more evidence not less.
You claim to be a trump supporter
So How often are you the NY times and Washington Post in agreement?
https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=qanon
https://www.google.com/search?q=Washington+post+qanon
Oh wait. I missed that line (I don't read your entire diatribes carefully, once I get the gist0.
No, I actually like Gorka. But his anti-Q rhetoric is suspicious and tends to give him derp status, in my book.
Why would he even comment on it, you gotta ask yourself. Or don't ask yourself if he furthers your agenda.
Which is what you people do, amirite?
Well, if that's true, you now find yourself on the wrong team this time. Now you're fighting the corruption fighters and doing harm to that which you CLAIM to support.
People are fascinating, aren't they?
#WhatAWorld
“You claim to be a trump supporter
So How often are you the NY times and Washington Post in agreement?”
Hardly since I have a good stock of toilet paper. I don’t need anything from them on the QAnon grifters. That’s coming out just like the Russia Collusion Hoax, no thanks to them.
See Magacoalition.com for more irrefutable proofs on the QAnon grifters.
I would not be surprised to see Bannon and/or Gorka back at the White House.
I actually view the Kelly/Tillerson/McMaster trioka as a part of the Deep State Coup.
I remember my liberal Facebook friends saying "Trump is corralled now, the Generals are in charge, the Adults have taken back over the White House" in that era.
The Tard media did lots of loving long-forms on those three.
So, I never trusted any of them Gorka was right, and Trump pretty quickly got rid of the "Adults in the Room".
And, unlike Gorka, good riddance to them.
Kelly, in particular is a sanctimonious prick. It sounds just like him to turn a security clearance off instead of just firing the guy. Very Derpy, as you say.
“Now you’re fighting the corruption fighters...”
No, I’m not. I’m merely adding to the exposure of the QAnon grifters that are doing harm to MAGA and not going to sit by and allow what they did to MAGA in the 2018 elections.
Let the hoaxers be exposed! They are not Christians and they are not fighting corruption. They are the corrupt!
Haha, what? Who is "they"?
That's a clown comment, bro.
Let the hoaxers be exposed! They are not Christians and they are not fighting corruption. They are the corrupt!
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So say you, according to the wisdom received from your thought bosses of MSNBC, CNN and NYT.
You can say it ain’t so all you want. But you’re dishonest about the rest. We’d be stupid to believe you on this.
Then he probably deserved it.
Life's a bitch like that sometimes.
Here’s a hint for you: there have been multiple confessions of making the first Q posts.
My guess would be that nobody who has claimed to have started it did.
Yes, although I heard they wanted Gorka to be Q, really bad.
Haha, what? Who is “they”?
That’s a clown comment, bro.
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Dude’s obviously a mouth-breeding, snot-gobbling thumb-sucker.
He’s probably mad at Qanon because his favorite pedo-porn ring got busted up.
Sure, but did you know that The Donald met with Kim in the Forbidden City when he travelled there?
I did.
I would be interested in more details about that.
Well, the details are out there. I'm the world's worst researcher (I usually go on memory), so someone better than me can guide you to the Q posts. We watched in real time as Q posted (which he often does) about an ongoing operation. It was confirmed the next day (or two, I forget).
BiggBob is good with stuff like this.
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