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‘The Sopranos' turns 20. David Chase opens up about Tony’s fate: ‘We all could be whacked in a diner
The Star Ledger ^ | 01.09.19 | Amy Kuperinsky

Posted on 03/11/2019 11:40:39 AM PDT by Coleus

On June 10, 2007, less than five minutes remained in the final episode of “The Sopranos.”

After eight years with Tony Soprano, his family and the Family, viewers of the landmark series sat keenly alert to the final action as Tony waited for his family at Holsten’s in Bloomfield: The bell that sounds each time someone walks through the door. Journey’s “Don’t Stop Believin'” playing on the jukebox. The onion rings that Tony, Carmela and A.J. pop in their mouths as Meadow attempts her maddening parallel parking job outside.

Then, nothing. Cut to black.

Those final seconds hit Tony’s native New Jersey — and the entire viewing audience — like the Big Bang, especially when everyone realized the black screen was not, in fact, a cable outage. As the waves of shock expanded outward, “The Sopranos” was never really over. Since that Sunday night more than 11 years ago, fans and TV critics, including former Star-Ledger writers Alan Sepinwall and Matt Zoller Seitz, have debated whether the abrupt end was an indication of Tony’s demise or something else entirely.

So when they sat down recently with series creator David Chase for a series of interviews about the show, they did not expect any monumental clarification. And yet, behold this sentence in their new book:

“I think I had that death scene around two years before the end,” Chase told them.

Yes. “Death scene.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nj.com ...


TOPICS: Local News; Society
KEYWORDS: bloomfield; davidchase; holstens; sopranos
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To: Mr. K
It would have been more dramatic if Meadow suddenly had a look of shock on her face - as if she sees what is coming

Well I think Chase wanted just enough ambiguity so that people would argue about it. But I think he was almost too clever about it, because in real time, most people wouldn't pick up on the subtle clues he left.

21 posted on 03/11/2019 12:07:21 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

If you see how they eat the onion rings (?), they put them on their tongues like communion wafers and in a studied, religious manner. It was the last supper for them.


22 posted on 03/11/2019 12:14:40 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Coleus

“Then, nothing. Cut to black.”

If that was not the greatest series ending ever - it is in the top 3.

Having said this - I know some people hated it. Why? Because some people wanted a tried and true, solid, dependable ending. (yawn)


23 posted on 03/11/2019 12:17:24 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: dfwgator
I know a lot of viewers were disappointed but I think the "Sopranos" finale was perhaps the most perfect ending to a TV series. When Tony looked up and the screen went to black, I knew immediately that Tony had just been whacked. For me, there was no ambiguity whatsoever about what had just happened.

Genius ending to a genius show.

"Sopranos" basically opened the door to 20 years of great TV. I'm still binge-watching shows from that era that I stream on Netflix and Amazon Prime. And that's how I take my TV. It's been at least a decade since I watched regular TV with commercials. As soon as I checked out "on demand" streaming TV, I knew it was the future and went all in.

As a side-note, that finale got me back into Journey in a big way. I remember them growing up but was never that big of a fan. I ended up checking out all the Journey albums, including the early ones before Steve Perry joined the band. I've definitely heard "Don't Stop Believing" more times since 2007 than before 2007!

24 posted on 03/11/2019 12:20:05 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Coleus
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25 posted on 03/11/2019 12:21:45 PM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: dfwgator

Chase had made it clear in numerous interviews after the end of the show that Tony did not die.

In more recent interviews it’s clear he is sick and tired of being asked.


26 posted on 03/11/2019 12:22:15 PM PDT by warsaw44
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To: Coleus

The greatest final episode ever, because people are still talking about it.


27 posted on 03/11/2019 12:22:40 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Facts are racist.)
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To: The Pack Knight

He’s Schrodinger’s Mob Boss. The cat is both alive and dead because the box is closed and will remain closed until Chase decides to cash in with a Sopranos reunion show.

...

True. It’s all fiction. He can be alive and dead.


28 posted on 03/11/2019 12:23:39 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Facts are racist.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I wouldn’t even have cut to black, I would have just gone to the next HBO show, because if you’re dead, you don’t even see black.

But I would imagine people would have been even angrier if they did it that way.


29 posted on 03/11/2019 12:24:38 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: sparklite2
The episode opened with just a head shot of Tony laying in bed with the funeral dirge opening to Vanilla Fudge's You Just Keep Me Hanging On.

The eating the orange at breakfast (think Godfather). The meeting with Uncle Junior that was a farewell. And then the last line at dinner to remember the good times.

Also several episodes ago talking about getting wacked, that you never see it, just goes black.

30 posted on 03/11/2019 12:30:35 PM PDT by AU72
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To: Coleus

What the hell? Is was just a damn TV show.


31 posted on 03/11/2019 12:33:09 PM PDT by Bullish (My tagline ran off with another man.)
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To: goldstategop
A high quality drama

Like most mob movies, it painted a pretty glorified view of gang life ... the women, the parties, prison was a luxury joke, etc.

Never any real indication of the misery created by, or the consequences of, that "lifestyle".

Wonder how many dupes were encouraged to become criminals by The Sopranos?


32 posted on 03/11/2019 12:36:33 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative

I don’t see how anyone would have wanted to be in the mob from watching the Sopranos. It looked like a depressing way of life to me.


33 posted on 03/11/2019 12:37:29 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: AU72

And the Members Only Guy went into the bathroom, like Michael Corleone, before coming out and shooting Tony, so perhaps the gun was planted in the toilet, just as it was in The Godfather.


34 posted on 03/11/2019 12:38:53 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator
But I want to know "happened to Valery, the Russian gangster in the “Pine Barrens” episode"
35 posted on 03/11/2019 12:40:57 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen ((Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong))
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To: Coleus

Tony got tired of the viewers knowing all so had the viewer whacked. Go directly to black, do not fade.

The show is unique in my opinion as having no one worthy of sympathy.


36 posted on 03/11/2019 12:44:08 PM PDT by whodathunkit
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To: Responsibility2nd

Having said this - I know some people hated it. Why? Because some people wanted a tried and true, solid, dependable ending. (yawn)


The reboot of Battlestar Galactica is one of my all time favorites. The ending is one of the worst ever. Many threads were left hanging. The producers got a lot of flack concerning the ending, to which they responded, “Get over it.”


37 posted on 03/11/2019 12:44:31 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Steely Tom

Not sure what that song has to do with this thread but thank you for linking it! That was one of my favorite songs during the fall of 1979. It was my senior year in high school and I had a job washing dishes at a restaurant and that song played often on the radio station that the cooks were playing. Randy Crawford (a woman) delivered an excellent vocal performance.


38 posted on 03/11/2019 12:45:29 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Steely Tom

Street Life - The Crusaders

Actually I remember that song more from “Sharkey’s Machine”.


39 posted on 03/11/2019 12:46:47 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Coleus

I’ve been whacked in a diner plenty of times...usually around 2:00am in the morning, right after the bars close.


40 posted on 03/11/2019 12:48:30 PM PDT by moovova
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