Posted on 02/24/2019 9:06:24 AM PST by fireman15
Feb. 19 (UPI) -- A nutrient once thought to be healthy if eaten in abundance may actually cut life short, a new study says.
A low-protein, high-carbohydrate diet has been linked to living longer and maintaining brain health, according to a study published this month in Current Biology.
Eating too much protein, Proud says, can speed up protein synthesis, which quickly causes a build-up of "faulty protein" -- leading to a likelihood of early death. The researchers tested this theory by feeding high protein diets to fruit flies and worms.
"Since this link also operates in humans, our findings show how lower protein consumption could promote longevity in people," Proud said.
However, Proud not only recommends eating less protein but also more carbohydrates, which many have long-associated with an unhealthy diet.
"Carbohydrates get a lot of bad press, especially in relation to dieting, but the key is balance and knowing the difference between 'good' carbs and 'bad' carbs," Proud said.
(Excerpt) Read more at upi.com ...
This study has been brought to you by Dunkin Donuts, Kellogg and Wonder Bread.
Since you are spent so many more years in school than the rest of us... why don't you answer your own question if it you find it relevant to the discussion?
My subordinate on our hazmat team who gave me the most difficulties on calls was a person with an advanced degree in chemistry which should have made him one of our greatest resources. But despite his many years spent in institutions of higher learning, he never was able to master the basic concepts of incident command.
I can't tell you how many times he replied that he was a scientist when assigned a basic task, and when I found that his task had not been completed, I would sometimes find him complaining to my superior officer instead of doing what I had asked.
Thanks for throwing more BS on the fire.
Actually, it is NOT that simple. The body has lots of mechanisms to trigger more efficient use of calories, or to make them easier to shed. Heck, think of cholesterol. Some people eat it and retain it, while most will have excess dietary cholesterol dumped from their bodies. Most of us have known skinny people who can eat a ton and barely maintain weight, and others who can eat little and barely lose.
Not all cars get the same gas mileage, so to speak.
“Of course he made the mistake of following his own advice and died a very rich obese person with advanced heart disease and hypertension which is most likely why he dropped over dead.”
Not really. 6’ and 195 is hardly obese.
“Yet according to a copy of his medical records, as turned over to USA Today by the diet guru’s widow, Atkins weighed 195 pounds upon admission to the hospital 8 April 2003 following his fall. He died on 17 April 2003 after having been in a coma for more than a week.”
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/death-of-a-diet-doctor/
Also see:
FWIW, I’m in the eat REDUCED carbs (compared to the modern US diet) category, and think it is OK to eat increased fat and protein instead. But very few can eat as much as they want of ANYTHING and maintain a decent weight. Modest proportions of a varied diet makes more sense to me, although it will never leave me with ripped abs!
Exercise is very important, but a back injury 10 years ago taught me there are good reasons why SOME can’t work out vigorously. I probably exercise more than most men in their 60s but still get stabbing pain in my back if it gets too intense. A friend who loved hiking and running also had to change his habits after a foot injury. It happens sometimes.
“come up with an explanation for the observational data that those on high protein diet live an average of two years less”
I suspect people who TRY a high protein diet do so because they ALREADY have diet-related health issues.
Except that he is reported by multiple credible sources that Atkins actually weighed 258 pounds at the time of his death... Would it be advantageous for a multinational diet corporation to distribute multiple accounts shaving 60 pounds off it's founders weight at the time he died?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB107637899384525268 - behind paywall unfortunately
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/4230348/ns/health-fitness/t/atkins-medical-recordsspark-diet-controversy/
That would seem to be a good point except that I personally have known dozens if not hundreds of young people who are on high protein diets who had no history of health problems and were not fat when they started. Go to any LA Fitness and ask people about what they eat or just look at the snacks they carry with them.
Typical high protein snacks have less sugar and than the typical candy bar. The last delicious 20 pack of cookie dough and brownie dough flavored high protein bars I purchased at Costco also had less fat, so in that way they certainly are a healthier choice than a candy bar, unless you have an aversion to artificial sweeteners. I did mention to my wife that if we were going to be riding another century (hundred mile) ride on our tandem that they would be basically worthless to us. They have almost no carbohydrates which is what you need when you are outputting a lot of energy.
I posted the article because I felt it was an interesting piece of work worthy of discussion. As I have said several times I do not necessarily agree with all the conclusions. But as you are well aware, the team was carrying out an experiment to test their theory. Whether or not their findings helpful at explaining the reduced life spans of those who adopt high protein diets is open to debate. The doctor does have far my training in this area than any of those responding here and also at setting up and conducting experiments in a controlled environment.
The visceral reaction of those who strenuously object including yourself reflects more on their own beliefs and biases than the merits of the work. There is nothing that will ever dissuade a true believer which is not the goal of the work or my goal.
Sorry for the typos introduced partially by my android device.
Bet you a nickel to a dollar those meats had BBQ sauce on them in great quantity.
“Except that he is reported by multiple credible sources that Atkins actually weighed 258 pounds at the time of his death... “
From Snopes: “ Yet according to a copy of his medical records, as turned over to USA Today by the diet guru’s widow, Atkins weighed 195 pounds upon admission to the hospital 8 April 2003 following his fall. He died on 17 April 2003 after having been in a coma for more than a week.”
I’d go with what the hospital records showed at admission. When my wife gave birth, they left her hooked up to the IV. The next day, she weighed MORE than she did prior to giving birth.
“But the release of only limited details have made Dr. Atkins’ health the subject of a very public and intense debate. The medical examiner’s report is not an autopsy. It is a coroner’s description of what the outside of Atkins’ body looked like at the time of death. Atkins opponents say the report proves he was in poor health when he died. Mrs. Atkins says that wasn’t the case at all....
...And Dr. Atkins’ hospital admissions form seems to back her up. It shows he was a technically overweight but not obese 195 pounds. That was also born out by Dateline’s visit with Dr. Atkins six weeks before the fall that killed him. He was an active 72-year-old, big, but not bloated and hardly obese. ...
...Dr. Fratellone: “I was his attending cardiologist at that time. And I made the statement… When we did his angiogram, I mean, the doctor who performed it, said it’s pristine for someone that eats his kind of diet… Pristine, meaning these are very clean arteries. I didn’t want people to think that his diet caused his heart muscle – it was definitely a documented viral infection.”
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/4327741/ns/dateline_nbc/t/defending-dr-atkins/
I haven’t hung around gyms in ages. But when I did, a lot of the high protein folks were trying to build muscle mass. Of course, eating high protein will NOT build muscle mass, but that was their motivation.
Also FWIW, I’ve found slowly sipping a 12 oz Coca-Cola over the course of the afternoon a good way to prevent headaches. I know it is sugar and caffeine, but 140 calories consumed over a 4 hour period works better for me than a high protein bar and water. Since the rest of my intake is home cooked meals, I’m not too worried. A 12 oz soda a day isn’t too deadly. It is the supersized 32 oz monsters or the bucket of fries, or the 3/4 lb burger with bacon, or the 6 slices of pizza that are deadly. Heck, a grilled cheese sandwich for lunch - if that IS the lunch - isn’t too harmful. As long as it isn’t 4 or 5 of them, followed by a bucket of ice cream...
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Well, you go with whatever you feel like. I went to many people to the hospital that we were performing CPR on. I never saw any of them weighed. They tend to make some type of guesstimate on the admission forms in that type of situation, and often rely on information from relatives. So personally I find the official autopsy report which I posted where they used some type of scale to be more believable.
And I have heard the theory by many Atkins proponents that he gained over 60 pounds after a week in a coma in the hospital. And that they were force feeding him carbohydrates in his IV solution. Strangely enough they have a bit of a point, because the last time I checked they don't use high protein IV fluid on people in comas in the hospital. But gaining over 60 pounds in a week in the hospital from IV fluid is a little over the believable range.
Just to make sure you understand... I don't have any problem with people who are eating high protein diets and feeling good about it, and keeping the weight off. I love meat and even high protein snacks. I just believe eating whole foods including grains, fruits, and vegetables is a good idea. I have known quite a few however who have refused to follow the advice of their physicians and actually gone to their deathbeds refusing to eat anything with carbohydrates. This is irrational thinking and could easily describe at least a few people posting here.
Dr. Atkins did not die of obesity, nor did he have advanced coronary disease, FRiend. His clinical assistants/research coordinators eye witnessed his accident. He slipped on patch ice on the sidewalk in NYC and hit his head causing a brain hemorrhage. Died of a blood clot from the injury, which could not be corrected surgically, went into a coma while in surgery and died.
His heart attack was when he was 71 years old, having been in practice 43 years and coming from a modest background to complete his residency in Cardiology at Cornell’s Weill Institute. Not premature coronary disease or unusual for his heritage and background, which was inherited moderate to low HDL.
A good friend, former Dir. of the Framingham Heart study made it quite clear that the problem of American/Western diet is the overabundance of carbohydrates (pure freaking sugar, processed in foods,high fructose corn syrups) which majorly contribute source sugars to metabolism of VLDL from this overload. Acquired Combined Hyperlipidemia. This is extremely common in patients who suffer from other diseases from the metabolic syndrome aggravated by this abundance of carbs in the diet (”syndrome X”, incorporating diabetes mellitus type II, hypertension, central obesity and combined hyperlipidemia) and distinguished from those with purely inherited genetic dyslipidemia with deficient LDL receptors and deficient HDL metabolism. It was precisely this type of common heart attack victim— also with medio-lateral obesity on a smaller stature frame (the mesomorph) which Atkins (and Framingham) characterized as being most at risk for coronary disease and MI.
Major researchers before Atkins (an upon whom he credited his research as having its basis)- were Frank Evans, Per Hansen, Blake Donaldson, and yes Alfred Pennington. Nowadays the variance of the “Atkins” diet is very close to the original “paleo-diet” of Donaldsons.
You seem to have an animus against a brilliant successful cardiologist who tired of the constant emphasis on intervention (angioplasty, stents, and surgical) to correct what his internal medicine knowledge clearly showed could be rectified in a majority of cases by altering lifestyle.
Thank you for that additional info on Dr. Atkins. He was a friend professionally in late 1990s. One extremely interesting line of work he did is mentioned in one of his popular books— it was the use of high dose intravenous Vitamin C vs. certain cancers. Vitamin C being a powerful anti-oxidant (the most in nature) the mechanism was to combat the effect of free-radical oxidation of tissues (oxidation of LDL cholesterol is required before LDL will deposit or give up cholesterol to tissues for good or bad—and the anti-oxidant line of thinking has many supporters). He was able to put cancers of certain types in to remission from these large doses.
Highly controversial, high Vit C ingestion was advocated by Linus Pauling. This is often lumped together along with those who the Heart Association considers quacks who use EDTA in high dilution intravenously to “chelate” coronary disease lesions in the blood vessels. This chelation therapy is quackery imho.
Atkins was not obese, and he had genetic heart disease from low HDL.
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