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Guns in the UK...

Posted on 02/18/2019 10:14:31 AM PST by Da_Shrimp

Sometimes it seems from reading posts on here that the average Freeper thinks that guns are pretty much banned in the UK. They aren't, though.

Handguns are banned (unfortunately), but otherwise we have a reasonable choice of legal weaponry, including Accuracy International sniper rifles if you have £23K to spare. Semi-automatic rifles are limited to .22 rimfire, but bolt-action rifles are not.

Here's a link to my nearest gun dealer, so you can see what's available this side of the pond:

https://www.thecountryman.com/

Comments welcome - not trying to start any fights, just interested in opinions. Personally I own a Mossberg 500 and am looking for a semi-auto shotgun for clay breaking as my arthritis is getting increasingly irritating! :-)


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KEYWORDS: banglist; england; gunlaws; guns; restrictions; uk
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To: Da_Shrimp

Glad to hear from you here! Hope you will stay and continue the discussion as long as there’s actual information being exchanged. It’s cool to see your link to a gun store. I look forward to looking it it.

You have some questions about our laws.

This is an excellent resource to know the handgun laws in all of our 50 states. You will see that there are significant differences. Understand that Mr. Trump campaigned on a national reciprocity (federal) law to force states to honor each other’s carry permits just like they honor driving licenses.

There’s a strong movement now for “permitless carry.” It has taken effect in a number of states. It does not in any way relax the laws on who is legally allowed to possess a gun at all.

https://handgunlaw.us/


61 posted on 02/18/2019 12:14:31 PM PST by old-ager (anti-new-ager)
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To: taxcontrol
What about pump and lever actions? Are they restricted like semi-auto?

No restrictions calibre-wise on lever or bolt action for rifles. Pump action shotguns are 2+1 for Section 2 and 7+1 or more for Section 1, same as semi-autos.

Lever-action Winchester for eg:

Winchester M92 (1892) short .357 lever-action rifle

62 posted on 02/18/2019 12:16:54 PM PST by Da_Shrimp (Dum vivimus, vivamus!)
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To: Da_Shrimp

Apparently handguns are available in the UK provided they have a barrel longer than 12” and 24” overall or are cap and ball percussion revolvers.

I found one Cowboy Action Shooting club in the UK, and wondered how they met the requirement for having 2 handguns necessary for competition.

http://www.shootersofthecastironshore.com/index.html


63 posted on 02/18/2019 12:18:17 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: old-ager
Thank you very much! The conversation has been interesting and I intend to continue it. I do love shooting and I wish our own laws were much less restrictive. As I said, I'm not really here for arguments, but for an exchange of information.
64 posted on 02/18/2019 12:22:29 PM PST by Da_Shrimp (Dum vivimus, vivamus!)
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To: Da_Shrimp
Again, do all US States allow concealed carry?

No, they don't, though most do.

65 posted on 02/18/2019 12:22:42 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Not sure how they’d meet the rules - will chack out the link. I knew that the unfeasibly long handguns were legal, not seen them in use!


66 posted on 02/18/2019 12:24:52 PM PST by Da_Shrimp (Dum vivimus, vivamus!)
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To: Da_Shrimp

Nice sound moderators available. Need that here in the USA.


67 posted on 02/18/2019 12:27:01 PM PST by wgmalabama (Mittens is the new Juan. Go away mittens!)
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To: taxcontrol

Apparently pump & autoloading shotguns are still legal in Britain but they were banned in Australia; the police simply ring up the owner and tell him to bring it in because he doesn’t want them coming to his house.

A Turkish arms company came up with a lever action shotgun for import to Oz but the nannies quickly intervened & alerted the PM who sent along a note to Parliament where the lever gun was added to the banned list.

“Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kinda cool.” - Paul Begala as the outgoing Clinton signed a blizzard of EOs.


68 posted on 02/18/2019 12:28:14 PM PST by elcid1970 (My gun safe is saying, "Room for one more, honey!")
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To: Da_Shrimp

Britains are four times as likely to get mugged as Americans. That says it all.


69 posted on 02/18/2019 12:35:59 PM PST by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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To: aimhigh
Britains are four times as likely to get mugged as Americans

Indeed. Luckily enough it never happened to me, even though I lived in London for 21 years, but it happened to a couple of friends. What's the law on shooting a mugger in the US?

70 posted on 02/18/2019 12:38:19 PM PST by Da_Shrimp (Dum vivimus, vivamus!)
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To: BenLurkin

Yeah, you cant argue with em because they think what they have left isnt really anything majorly different than what we have here, its just minor details.

The details are not minor. Draconian is correct.


71 posted on 02/18/2019 12:38:24 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Da_Shrimp
Local Police will visit and check arrangements.

Wow. I am so sorry you are a conquered people.

72 posted on 02/18/2019 12:38:41 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Enjoy the decline of the American empire.)
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To: Da_Shrimp

A fast draw would be impossible. But the cap and ball revolvers could be had in a reasonable length.

If you want to see what cowboy action shooting is about, watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRyqzopzaGs


73 posted on 02/18/2019 12:40:19 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Da_Shrimp

How does one know hes not retreating in order to regroup, or get other mates to come back again in bigger numbers?

Your example is a farmer guy who is an old man who suffers a suprise attack by a criminal. Those are two things that in America justify his reaction, look up Disparity of Force.


74 posted on 02/18/2019 12:41:12 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Da_Shrimp

How do you know hes only going to mug you? We have to trust the criminal? Who may have a knife or gun on you?

We only have to fear for our life or permanent bodily damage. Generally once confronted there is little to no chance to try to get away from the situation.

Surprise attacks allow for greater use of force as a response. Its called Disparity of force and it is an established legal principle used by the victim/target of a criminals assault to justify their actions.


75 posted on 02/18/2019 12:50:38 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Its been so long, they cannot even see it anymore.


76 posted on 02/18/2019 12:51:58 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Da_Shrimp

“I have a right to own a shotgun.”

In my American eyes, you have a privilege to own a shotgun. Not a right.


77 posted on 02/18/2019 12:54:18 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: Persevero
No, you may not chase down and shoot anyone in any state in the US. that is not considered self defense.

Au contraire! You can shoot a fleeing suspect in Texas - if it's nighttime and you are recovering property.

(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property;  and

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means;  or

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

https://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/penal-sect-9-42.html

Someone makes off with your tv at night in TX, and you reasonably believe that he'll kick your ### or kill you if you try to stop him - rule .45 is in play.

78 posted on 02/18/2019 12:54:30 PM PST by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
We only have to fear for our life or permanent bodily damage. Generally once confronted there is little to no chance to try to get away from the situation.

Thanks for the info - I was wondering what the rules were.

79 posted on 02/18/2019 12:55:45 PM PST by Da_Shrimp (Dum vivimus, vivamus!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Thanks for the link - interesting stuff.


80 posted on 02/18/2019 12:56:29 PM PST by Da_Shrimp (Dum vivimus, vivamus!)
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