Houston cop 'lied about drug dealing so officers could storm home'...

Daily Mail ^ | 02-15-2019 | Lauren Fruen

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

Houston cop 'lied about drug dealing so officers could storm home' sparking a shootout which left a couple dead and five officers wounded

The Houston officer who led a deadly raid in which a couple were killed and five cops were injured lied to get a search warrant, according to the city's police chief.

Lead investigator Gerald Goines alleged an informant bought heroin at the house of Dennis Tuttle, 59, and Rhogena Nicholas, 58, the day before the January 28 raid. The informant had also allegedly seen a handgun in the home.

But according to an affidavit filed as part of the ongoing investigation into the raid and made public Friday, the informant told investigators he or she had not bought any drugs at the home and had not been involved in any work leading up to the raid.

[Robert DeLong]

No not at all. I stated my position very clearly that I stand for due process, not emotional reaction. Let’s see what actually comes out. If the cop is guilty then he should be dealt with with in the severest of terms. Because if guilty, he not only murdered innocent lives, but endangered the lives of his fellow officers as well.

[wardaddy]

Well said

All these folks come on here to act like we are cop haters

Haven’t read much at all about the case like we have

They are being emotive

I don’t hate cops

I have assisted federal law enforcement when the occasion has arisen in my life

I don’t like corruption or militarization or politization of law enforcement

I have business relationships with local and federal law right now

I don’t like no knock raids except for WOT

Nor highway profile cash stops

Or at airports

Or confiscation without conviction

Having endured the last item myself

They love to get in your piggy bank

Local cops keep it and spend however they like

New pickups

Fancy ARs

Junkets overseas

Social giddyups

It’s a license to steal

[Robert DeLong]

Following very closely is one thing, but reviewing the actual evidence may yield things not present when merely closely following news reports. The accuracy of them is quite unknown, and as of late I certainly do not trust them to do a very good job of disseminating facts. Opinions, yes they are great at disseminating them.

Make no mistake, I have made no conclusions one way or the other with regards to this case. Let due process take its course. I want to hear the evidence as it is presented. Otherwise, we undermine the very foundations our legal system was built upon.

[marktwain]

Let due process take its course. I want to hear the evidence as it is presented. Otherwise, we undermine the very foundations our legal system was built upon.

The problem is that silence becomes consent. If no one points out the inconsistencies and problems with the police narrative, no investigations would have occurred.

If you do not have active involvment of the population, official corruption grows.

There is no evidence due process is being circumvented with these officers.

There is good evidence it was circumvented with the couple that were killed in their home.

[arthurus]

It is all symptomatic of a civilization in slide if not yet collapse. Long continued and public selective application of and the inventing of laws at the top spreads the attitude downward.

[wardaddy]

Let’s hope

I’m wary of any self investigation from judicial to fbi to locals to corporate to school boards or nasa

A third party might be better

Or the local US attorney perhaps

[null and void]

The Houston Police officers who conducted a deadly raid in an East Houston home on January 28, expecting to find heroin, only seized 18 grams of marijuana and 1.5 grams of an unknown white powder.

Source: Houston Police Only Seized Small Amount Of Marijuana In Deadly Raid, No Heroin

Eleven days later and it's still an unknown white powder...

[ifinnegan]

The truth will out.

[Squantos]

Agree .......... sumpin stinks real bad .

[Robert DeLong]

I’ll agree that once facts are known the public should speak out, but I have no doubt that will occur, and my voice will be among them.

[Robert DeLong]

Okay, thanks. I hadn’t seen that article. 8>)

[null and void]

da nada. Perhaps you’ll return the favor some day?

[logi_cal869]

Ironically - or coincidentally - I learned that Houston has a little “asset forfeiture” problem...

Go figure. I wonder if a federal investigation isn’t in order.

But I’ve since learned that CBP is in on the game in TX as well.

Things are tough all over. /s

[BTerclinger]

[Ken H]

>>I’ll agree that once facts are known the public should speak out, but I have no doubt that will occur, and my voice will be among them.<<

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But until all the facts are know, the public should be quiet?

Do you think the same should apply to the Jussie Smollett sory?

[Justa]

“Let due process take its course.”

A bit ironic to be talking about due process while condoning a plain clothes, no-knock raid don’t ya think?

[Robert DeLong]

No charges have been files in that incident so far.

[Robert DeLong]

That's another issue and one I agree with you on. No knock raids should cease immediately. They cause more problems than they solve.

But here's a little caveat for you to chew on as well:

Acevedo—who is arguably the most outwardly progressive police chief serving in Texas right now and has been an outspoken critic of guns—called for reform following Monday’s shooting and criticized lawmakers for failing to take action on gun control. He has repeatedly promised a fair and transparent investigation while expressing his commitment to repairing the Houston Police Department’s fraught relationship with the community, even supporting criminal justice activists by calling out police union president Gamaldi’s heated rhetoric. But he has not addressed the department’s use of a no-knock raid or the impact that such tactics have on the community’s trust in police. SOURCE

So you see, this sheriff is an enemy of the people as well. Furthermore, I distrust informants. They too have been known for setting up police.

Not allowing for due process is the issue, and that due process extends in both directions. Due process is being lost, and sadly "we the people" are assisting in that erosion.

So, ironic? No, more erosion of due process. I have no problem with people arguing about how the raid was conducted, just placing the blame solely on the lowly policeman it is being directed on is my issue. We don't have all the facts, and we may never know all the facts. But we need to see if due process can take its course and provide evidence. Also, if we are going to allow for no knocks to continue, which I think should be stopped as I said, then we must demand that body cams are required. In addition police cruiser cams need to be situated upon the entrances they are entering from. Or better yet a videographer needs to be deployed to capture that entry. I think the department needs to be sued, big time.

One thing I want to know is what led the investigating officer to become interested in this couple that instituted a confidential informant to be employed in the first place. If there was unusually high traffic in and out of that house, then it needs to be extremely well documented with photos & video evidence before a confidential informant can be employed. Once that confidential informant is deployed, then there needs to be documentation to support his claims. In other words, he needs to be videotaped in the debriefing period, and the chain of custody needs to documented of the evidence he produces. Right now it is just a little too fast & furious for my taste.

We have the technology, we need to use it. Especially in these types of cases. That way getting to the truth becomes easier, and the bad people involved really exposed.

[daniel1212]

I for one am not out to paint police as evil, and I thank God for them, though some misuse their authority, and I think the larger story on the video of the man tased 11 times by Glendale officers is that it illustrates the bias of the media. In that if this story had political value, such as if the graphic body cam story could be used to charge racism or Islamophobia then it would be publicized like Fullerton.

[daniel1212]

My 40+ year of experience dealing with police departments from forces of three to thousands has taught me that 85-90% of police officers are honest, conscientious, brave men and women that do their level best to protect their citizens from the scum that surround them.

I think it is only a minority that cause problems, and as with schools teachers and the military etc., can we not not expect them to reflect the general generational decline?