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Meet the 5 Deadliest Pistol Caliber Rifles To Ever Fire a Shot
The National Interest via Yahoo ^ | January 13th, 2019 | Kyle Mizokami

Posted on 01/13/2019 12:33:13 PM PST by Mariner

Meet the 5 Deadliest Pistol Caliber Rifles To Ever Fire a Shot

Kel-Tec’s offering differs in having a specific talent: folding down for compact storage. By rotating the barrel upwards and back, the Sub-2000 essentially folds over onto itself for an overall length of just sixteen inches and a height of seven inches. Once in the compact configuration, the carbine can be secured that way with a built-in lock and key system.

The explosion of interest in the modern sporting rifle, as well as the natural pace of industry innovation, has driven the firearms industry to field semi-automatic rifles in an increasingly broad number of configurations. One of the latest innovations is a new generation of pistol-caliber rifles, which combines smaller pistol calibers with a rifle or carbine-length weapon.

Pistol caliber carbines (PCCs) are not new: some of the more famous from recent history include the Ruger .44 Magnum carbine and 9mm rifles. The adaptability of the AR-15 platform—as well as those offered by manufacturers including Beretta, Kel-Tec and CZ—has made it possible to adapt them to calibers including 9mm Luger, 10mm Auto, .40 Smith & Wesson and even .45 ACP. These are five of the best PCCs out there...

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TOPICS: Hobbies; Miscellaneous; Sports
KEYWORDS: banglist; carbine; pcc
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To: Elderberry

LOL

If it can’t be fired free hand, it’s not a pistol.


61 posted on 01/13/2019 5:03:59 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: outofsalt
The Top Five PC's (according to these gun snobs):

Quarter Circle 10 Pistol Caliber Carbine
Beretta Cx4 Storm
CZ Scorpion EVO3 S1 Carbine
Kel-Tec Sub-2000
Heckler & Koch USC 45

The Hi-Point pistol caliber carbine comes in .380, 9mm, 40 cal, 45 cal, and 10mm. They're built like tanks, are incredibly reliable, and are backed with a lifetime, no questions asked warranty - regardless of owner.


62 posted on 01/13/2019 5:10:48 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: snoringbear

“.22LR has killed more people, I believe, than any other caliber.” I don’t believe that.

I believe you are correct, but it’s a complex question:

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power

The .22 does very well in terms of one-shot stop, in highest percentage of hits that were fatal (excluding rifle/shotgun), and #1 handgun in average number of shots to incapacitate the target. In terms of total numbers shot or killed though, the popular/police calibers - 9mm, .45 ACP, .38 SP, and .40 S&W - look like winners.

In terms of targets never incapacitated, the mouse guns are losers. A lot of people drop when they are hit in the trunk or the head by a .22 because they’ve been shot, and that’s scary. The problem though is that when you hit a tough guy with a .25 ACP, a .22LR, or a .32, it’s not going to drop him as quickly or as reliably as a bullet with more energy. Because of those tough guys, targets are twice as likely never to stop from being hit by the mouse guns, no matter how many times they are hit.

I think the strength of the .22 is that we’re all good with that gun. Even with a limp wrist or awkward stance, it hits where we want it to. That plus no one flinches with a .22. Bonus: Most of us practice more with our .22 than with the higher calibers - it’s much cheaper, so we’re better at it.


63 posted on 01/13/2019 5:32:27 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Mariner
"Th pistols at the Rowland conversion site are not designed for that kind of stress."

You have a semi-valid point when it comes to a Rowland pistol. They need a compensator and a well 'balanced' recoil spring to make it past a few thousand rounds And they limit the 1911 conversions to only the most hardy frames and slides.

But on the Mech-Tech system THEIR receiver takes 99% of the stress; the lower is merely the magazine housing and the fire control system.

64 posted on 01/13/2019 5:39:52 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: Mariner

I have a 45acp Highpoint carbine , best buy I ever made


65 posted on 01/13/2019 5:40:14 PM PST by bjglad12
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To: LegendHasIt

By “well ‘balanced’, above, I meant strong enough to keep the slide from slamming back on recoil, but not so strong that it does damage when the slide comes forward into battery.


66 posted on 01/13/2019 5:47:39 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: Mariner

“50 BMG revolver? Why not?” Not possible.


You know someone on FR read that and grabbed tools and a welding machine: “Hold my beer”.


67 posted on 01/13/2019 5:47:58 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Mariner
The 7.62 x 25mm round was/is used in the CZ-52 pistol..and was/is used in a Soviet machine gun.

I'd take a guess...there's a rifle out there that shoots that round also.

68 posted on 01/13/2019 5:53:15 PM PST by Osage Orange (Whiskey Tango Foxtrot)
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To: LegendHasIt

“Mech-Tech”

For another $200 you can buy a new CX_4 Storm and keep the sidearm holstered.

But, I guess if you’ve managed to shoot the barrel out of a Glock (nearly impossible), you could use the frame/trigger mechanism and for about $500 have nearly the same thing.


69 posted on 01/13/2019 6:02:06 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Seruzawa; snoringbear

I believe one of the strengths of the .22LR as a killer has to do with tumbling - the reason the .223 is favored - as well as penetrative strength and sudden velocity drop afterward. It is my understanding for instance that at a wide array of ranges the .22 with a headshot will enter the cranium and bounce around in there, making a dire mess of the brain.


70 posted on 01/13/2019 6:03:06 PM PST by golux
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To: snoringbear
I don't believe it either....

Maybe that .22 round has killed more Whitetail deer...but not people.

I doubt Pol Pot, Stalin, Castro, Hitler, Lenin, American troops, Chinese troops, German troops, Italian troops...Aussie troops..etc..etc..etc...used that round much.

And those guy's killed a lot of people.............

71 posted on 01/13/2019 6:07:37 PM PST by Osage Orange (Whiskey Tango Foxtrot)
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To: Windflier

Yep.

I’ve got one in 9mm with a cheap red dot on it. It’s freakishly accurate.


72 posted on 01/13/2019 6:30:21 PM PST by 2111USMC (Aim Small Miss Small)
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To: YogicCowboy

It was the Ruger black hawk the they chambered the 30 carbine round in.

It does in my opinion have excessive muzzle blast with factory ammo.

If one hand loads one can optimize the powder selection.


73 posted on 01/13/2019 6:37:30 PM PST by riverrunner ( o the public,)
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To: Mariner
"But, I guess if you’ve managed to shoot the barrel out of a Glock (nearly impossible), you could use the frame/trigger mechanism and for about $500 have nearly the same thing.<

It isn't a permanent alteration. Although I do have a dedicated lower for mine, you can swap back and forth between the CCU and the pistol in about 25 seconds, with some practice. At least with the 1911 conversion. I've never messed with a Glock; that could be slower or faster.

And if you DO shoot th barrel out of your Glock, replacement barrels are relatively cheap and easily replaced.

I get it, a Mech-tech is not something you would want. There are millions of others who wouldn't buy them for half the price, even if they had the need for a pistol caliber carbine. It IS sort of a tinkerers device. A lot of people aren't up to swapping parts and want something you can just stuff the magazine in, rack the slide / bolt and pull the trigger.

OOOH, I just went to check prices... I thought you were just making a WAG or exaggerating the price when you wrote $500. My apologies .. When I bought mine it was under $300.00. I'll admit that I'd be hard pressed to buy for the $435 they are charging now.

Still they are a pretty decent machine.... Just that the market has advanced since I bought mine and there are NOW quite a few choices in the category. When I bought, there were few choices; the Marlin Camp and the Ruger 44 were discontinued and bringing some serious prices.

Plus, you don't have to go through an FFL to get one, like you do with any of the other options.

74 posted on 01/13/2019 7:36:45 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: LegendHasIt

This one was a jewel.
But it needed a detachable magazine of higher capacity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_Deerfield_Carbine


76 posted on 01/13/2019 8:00:03 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: LegendHasIt

And I really, really like those Marlin Camp-9s.
The predecessor of all these new carbines.
Detachable S&W mags, up to 40 rounds.
But with a better fit/finish.
And about the same price, barely-shot used.
I’m going to find and buy one.


77 posted on 01/13/2019 8:16:45 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: riverrunner

Thank you. Felt wrong. Couldn’t recall. Getting old.


78 posted on 01/13/2019 9:46:55 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: Mariner

79 posted on 01/13/2019 9:52:20 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Mariner

Another FR gun thread. Another gaggle of calibre snobs.


80 posted on 01/13/2019 9:57:31 PM PST by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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