Posted on 01/07/2019 12:14:34 PM PST by Moseley
To build a wall along the United States’ international border with Mexico, President Donald Trump could order the sale of approximately 500,000 to 5 million acres of federal land. The U.S. Government currently claims ownership of about 640 million acres of land — or about 28% of the total land mass of the nation. This could raise the entire $25 billion needed to finance building the wall (not just the next installment we are currently fighting over).
But one must understand that out of 640 million acres there is a vast diversity of terrain. The task is to select only between around 0.08% to 0.78% of that total land. Most federally-owned land is not suitable. But some land would be appropriate for sale to the State government, the County, or the general public. Some Western public land is nothing but empty grassland, just ordinary grazing land. Some public land is indistinguishable from the type of land currently owned and used by private citizens. In some cases, there seems to be no plausible reason for the federal government to be holding the land at all.
Decisions about which public lands within a state to consider as candidates must be nominated by each State government. It cannot be the President deciding, because left-wing interests groups will demagogue the issue. The State must identify which lands are not environmentally sensitive, culturally historic, important for scenic or recreational purposes, or reasonably claimed by Native Americans. Throwing those decisions to the States allows all the stake-holders to debate the choices, minimizing left-wing hysteria.
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Sell the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
Donald Trump, if you sell Palmyra Atoll...We would love it.
5000 an acre for grassland in nowhere is nuts. won’t sell. You have no idea of land prices out west.
There were real estate listings for ranch land at $43,000 per acre in Arizona. The key is that different tracts of land will be very different. The 640 million acres are not the same.
I can’t take all the credit....McGavin had the original idea.
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What I’m talking about is the complete fraud that your map is.
The Guadalupe Hidalgo treaty specifically conferred zero surface rights to any arable land, and zero water rights on the same.
The land was occupied and the surface rights had been conveyed to those “entrymen” with water rights and mineral rights down to 500 feet.
Our BLM is a racketeering criminal cabal.
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The surface rights to those grasslands is owned by the ranching families that have worked the land since before the US was created by our founding document, The Declaration of Independence.
The BLM has no rights thereon.
If people would listen to us this would have been solved a long time ago. We said build it using American steel using American hands. We also said almost a year ago it should be presented as an infrastructure project.
*big grin*
“The surface rights to those grasslands is owned by the ranching families that have worked the land since before the US was created by our founding document, The Declaration of Independence.”
There are very strong arguments for this view.
But one should not fall into the idea that out of 640 million acres — 28% of the country — they are all grasslands.
There is a vast diversity of terrain throughout the country.
And there lots of federal lands in the East, not only in the West.
Very little Federal land is worth more than $5k an acre. And dumping it on the market is not going to do anything for surrounding land values.
There is a lot of moving parts in any of these scenarios. Not trying to be argumentative, but these things have to be done wisely. And that word is not in the government vernacular.
I'll rephrase it a little.
No one wanted to settle most of these lands because they weren't productive. The US was actively encouraging people to homestead or otherwise claim the land.
No one did.
More importantly, for the most part the states didn't have the resources to administer such vast, uninhabited territory and were happy to have the Federal government do so.
Even now, the states would be hard pressed to come up with the revenue to administer much of this land.
Sell Grande Staircase Escalente National Monument to US coal companies. Clinton created it to make it off limits to low sulphur coal mining so our utilities would have to purchase coal from his Indonesian buddies James and Mochtar Riady.
We have given quite a lot of ‘ due process’ to our mortal internal enemies and look where it has gotten us. Hamstrung by liberal lawyers and judges . Complacency kills
Sir Thomas More: “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ‘round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s! And if you cut them down, and you’re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUqytjlHNIM
Righteous cattlemen in the Midwest should know that on much of that “grassland” in the West, about 80 acres is required to support one perpetually spooked, scrawny, wild eyed calf to produce some perpetually chewy beef. Take it from one of your own, who has been there and seen it up close for a long time. ;-)
Words....
Use the damned seized drug money ,and (the gov) stop being anal about it. Just do it .
We need that wall. ASAP. Worse is coming .
Oh. And property rights are kinda thin in much of the West with no way to even watch your back. Imagine being surrounded by radical lefties, who are the “locals.”
One more thing. Much of the land out there is worth quite a bit less than $500 an acre for a cattleman. Cattle-wise, much of the so-called grassland that goes for $500 an acre for scenic purposes only is really worth about $125 an acre by your standards for land for production.
Hell - I’ll sell you a share of my FR privileges - just donate in my name at any of the convenient donation links.
There is a map on the internet somewhere that gives a graphic representation of how much land the fedgov owns in each state. I would like to see them dump a LOT of it. I would not be surprised if Trump sees this as an opportunity to give the land back to the states by selling a lot of the “worthless” land to them. It’s one of those things that the feds should do but has never been a high priority. You know, like moving our embassy to Jerusalem. :)
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