If so, why? It appears to me that many of the claims made in this post are not related to any particular Q post, but are either old conspiracy theory topics recycled, or brand new theories of the anonymous creator of this meme. Specifically:
Frame #1: Nothing Here to See (voting is useless)
Just for fun let's look at 9/11 timelines: July 16, 1999 - JFK Jr. dies in plane crash
Sept 3, 1999 - HRC buys house in New York
Feb 7, 1999 - HRC runs for Senate (D-NY)
Nov 8, 2000 - Bush elected President (R)
Sept 11, 2001 - Twin Towers attack in NYC
Oct 26, 2001 - Patriot Act becomes law
(They) create a problem to get more control.
(They) were selected, not elected.
(They) have been in control for millenia
(They) are pure EVIL.
I looked into the alternate explanations for 9/11 very carefully at the time and for years later, and like almost every other person I know who did this, concluded that the standard and obvious explanation is the correct one. Muslim terrorists, organized by Osama Bin Laden and masterminded by Omar Sheik Mohammed planned and pulled off the terrorist strike.
I've found that the people who argue otherwise are often Leftist nutjobs, for instance the makers of the infamous "Spare Change" video. In general Free Republic has never really supported being a platform for insane conspiracy theories, like the CIA/Mossad/Rothchilds blew up the Twin Towers, so I'm sort of surprised to see it popping up on every new thread as part of the official introduction.
Again, the term "selected not elected" is not a new one, it was the chant of the unhinged left to the close election victory of George W. Bush over Al Gore in 2000. It has a disgusting pedigree of being used by the worst Leftists in an endless attempt to discredit Bush, which is similar to the current attempt to discredit Trump.
At minimum it is a very strange tag line for a supposedly pro-Trump and pro-GOP posting.
I'm always very careful in my Q analysis to try to separate out what Q has said (much of which is cryptic and phrased as questions) and what his many interpreters claim it means.
So, in regards to these points above, as well at the many other assertions made in this graphic do you feel that they are based on Q's drops, or are the embellishments or additions?
They sure look like embellishments to me.
There are many other very questionable bits of content from this one meme. Again my dual questions are always:
A) Is there any real evidence to support this claim, or is it just recycled nonsense AND
B) Did Q really make this claim or is it a pet theory of some anonymous Anime fan on 8chan?
Frame #2 Election Rigging:
In Wayne Co. Michigan (Detroit) Hillary won over 75% of the vote, and Trump had only 76,000 votes cast for him. Did the "unfixing" involve (as the poster claims) allowing 25% of people in Detroit to have their Trump votes counted? If so why are the percents so similar to the previous elections results in Wayne Co. (when the NSA presumably did not use their powers to unfix the votes).
For instance Obama got 74% of the vote in 2008 in Wayne County.
Put simply there is zero evidence to support the claim made in your meme from actual facts and figures I have examined.
I think magical powers are being asserted to the NSA here, votes in Wayne County are done much like elsewhere in the USA in a very distributed manner, precinct by precinct. If cheating is occurring it's probably happening using the tried and true Democratic techniques of "vote stuffing" using dead voters, fake voters and multiple voters at individual precincts.
FRAME #3: Obama's secret pardons
Has Q every mentioned "Secret Pardons"?
I did a small bit of research and found this:
A Presidential Pardon for Military offenses has a separate process. A petitioner applying for executive clemency with respect to military offenses should submit his or her petition directly to the Secretary of the military department that had original jurisdiction over the court-martial trial and conviction of the petitioner. In such a case, a form furnished by the Pardon Attorney may be used but should be modified to meet the needs of the particular case. Each petition for executive clemency should include the information required in the form prescribed by the Attorney General.
Given that there is a formal process for applying for one I think the 8chan anon's claims are obviously incorrect. Why should I believe the other extraordinary claims he makes on this (or other) topics.
Q makes it a big point that we are supposed to do our own research. OK, there's some.
FRAME #4: Military Tribunals.
The U.S. Constitution lays out the Presidential Pardon power, so it's not like it's hard to find the law on this. In fact, the same section of the Constitution that gives him the power of commander of the armed forces also establishes his pardon power, which only excludes impeachments.
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
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I have put together this detailed response to your meme on Post #4, but I've only covered the first 1/2 of what is claimed there.
Perhaps, if I'm feeling motivated, I'll go through the Frames #5 - #8, but I think the validity of this meme has already been discredited.
People on this thread who have posted links to 8chan recently have been policed by others on thread for violating Free Republic's posting rules, which is good. We all have to work to keep this place great.
But here's the thing. It's not that the only thing that is problematic about 8chan are direct links to it, much of the 8chan content itself is problematic.
Jim's been able to build up a world-class site in part because he's never let the crazies fill page after page of the site with their pet theories.
Now, somehow, because there is some claimed connection to Q, it seems like every conspiracy theorist on the planet has been given a new lease-on-life, and worse, a friendly home here at Free Republic, if they claim it has something to do with Q and dress it up in a fancy graphic.
I'm not sure what the answer is, but some part of it has to be that the people leading the thread, like you, take more care in really considering what it is that you are promoting.
Thanks for taking time to consider my issues with this meme.
PS: Who is (they) referred to in the 8chan meme? This seems like it might be a watered down form of the anti-Semitic (((they))). It's hard to read 8chan because of the sickening and retarded anti-Semitism that fills every thread, including the Qanon threads. I'd hate to see that start showing up over here.
so Hillary ran for senate 5 months before JFK Jr died?
Who performed that 70's song "Slip Slidin' Away" again?
Again I say....BYE FELICIA!!!
Kudos Jack on an excellent deconstruction of that meme.
Let me add that posting this questionable material inside a thread entitled ‘Trust Trump’s Plan’ makes it all the more dubious and objectionable.
Using your methodology and questions, we must ask ourselves:
General Questions (or Quesitons ) about the Source
1. Do you know who this Jack Black person is?
2. Do you know what else he has posted?
3. Has his posting history given him any credibility?
4. Do all of his posts seem to have a particular slant?
5. Does it appear that he has a particular goal he is trying to achieve via his posts?
6. When he calls things “discredited conspiracy theories”, does he cite any credible evidence that would discredit it? Or does he just throw that out there as though it’s a given and we should be expected to accept it?
7. Do you notice how he attaches loaded adjectives as if they were enough to discredit something? “insane conspiracy theories”, “disgusting pedigree”
8. Do you notice how he tries to connect “insane conspiracy theories” to groups that we are inclined to disagree with? Great propaganda technique! Your enemy believes this, therefore it must be false! (”Leftist nut jobs”)
9. Do you notice how he tries to tell you that right-thinking people don’t go along with this? (Corollary to #8) “In general FR has never really supported....)
10. Do you notice how he asks questions that are nearly unanswerable? Ex: What do you mean exactly by claiming that all our elections going back to Reagan-era have been rigged? That would take tons of evidence to prove, evidence which most of us do not have access to. Yet, we can see the secondary evidence with our own eyes. We don’t have the video of the murder being committed, but we have the perp holding the smoking gun (many smoking guns, in fact), and we have STRONG motive and opportunity.
11. Quote: Do you acknowledge the danger in promoting anonymous memes from 8chan that claim that all our elections are rigged, especially in the run up to a crucial election where Republican turnout is likely to be critical to the GOP holding the House and Trump avoiding impeachment? Dangerous to whom?
12. Do you notice the scare tactics? “What are you doing to mitigate this problem (of playing into Democratic hands by convincing Freepers that all the elections are rigged)?” Yikes, FReeQs! Jack Black says that if we don’t stop this we are playing into Democratic hands!!!! Oh Noes!
I’m only partway through his post, but I’ll stop here for now.
I have to give Jack Black some credit, though. He is well trained in propaganda and psyops. He’s pulling out nearly every trick in the book. And still he remains calm and polite.
I think we’re all aware (at least the vast majority of us) that not everything posted on 8ch is true, that not every theory posted here on FR Q threads is true. But we’re not afraid to post various theories, argue about them, examine them, look for more evidence. As an example, we currently have MULTIPLE theories about what went on between Human and Lindsey at no name’s funeral. They can’t all possibly be correct since some are mutually exclusive. But we’re posting away on the topic, looking at it from all angles, putting forth arguments for and against each theory and it’s variants. Most of all, aside from a few trolls, we’re “STAYING TOGETHER” because “TOGETHER WE ARE STRONG”.
Hillary first inquired about a NY Senate run in Feb 1999 while still First lady.
Hillary started her NY “listening tour” in July 1999, about 7 days before JFK Jr. died.
She didn’t make the formal announcement until Feb 2000.
I apologize. I reread and realize it was just a typo.
A few questions for you:
After the CIA servers were shut down, who is hosting you now?
Who do you really work for?
Why is your posting history so disengenuous?
Why do you seem to have no capacity to build off of information you’ve already been given?
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These are really important questions, Jack! You must answer them!
“The media has created the perception that the voters choose the nomination. That’s the conflict here,” Curly Haugland, an unbound GOP delegate from North Dakota, told CNBC’s “Squawk Box” on Wednesday. He even questioned why primaries and caucuses are held.
Getting paid by the word? Why oh why are all your posts mini novels?
Dang Jack, you’ve got a lot of time on your hands.
Jack, I agree with your objection to implicitly endorsing this by listing it at the top of the FReeQ thread. It is, at best, one person’s speculation—and is not particularly even grounded in Q drops but perhaps to commentators of dubious merit.
I disagree with a few of your examples, such as your conclusions relating to 911, but this does not affect my agreement with your main thesis: This is not worthy of endorsement by the FReeQ thread.
I think it would help if you kept up on the thread. You’d know I have already asked FReepers not to post conspiracy stuff, including content the board owner has banned. I didn’t “get” 9/11 conspiracy out of panel #1. If you do, you could call it to my (our) attention or simply ask the Admin to remove it. We work together to keep such stuff off the site.
Jack: “You took this image off or reddit where it is claimed to be....”
If you read the thread, you’d see that I have already posted twice that I picked up the meme from other FReepers. I don’t think anyone tracks down the origin of memes and investigates other memes made by that person before deciding whether to post it.
Jack: “Nothing Here to See (voting is useless)”
If you kept up on the thread, you’d know we believe that voting is critical to the restoration of the republic. I believe whomever made the meme (I haven’t investigated the author so I don’t know if you’re correct) was saying the Dems have been cheating.
Jack: “In general Free Republic has never really supported being a platform for insane conspiracy theories, like the CIA/Mossad/Rothchilds blew up the Twin Towers, so I’m sort of surprised to see it popping up on every new thread as part of the official introduction.”
Well, as I said I don’t get what you got out of panel #1. I wonder why you didn’t ask about it on the thread, or ask the Admin to see if others interpret it that way too. Also, if you kept up on the thread you’d know I’ve only posted it on two threads. What is an “official introduction”? Is it anything posted within the first 10 posts or?
Jack: “What do you mean exactly by claiming that ....”
If you kept up on the thread, you’d know I didn’t create that meme. Did you ask Admin to remove it before creating this “piece”?
Jack:”Do you acknowledge the danger in promoting anonymous memes from 8chan that claim that all our elections are rigged, especially in the run up to a crucial election where Republican turnout is likely to be critical to the GOP holding the House and Trump avoiding impeachment?”
I don’t know who created this meme (I didn’t) and I thought you accused me of getting it from Reddit (not 8ch) but it doesn’t allege that we shouldn’t vote - it points to allegations that prior voting was rigged by Democrats, something President Trump has been saying for months (if you followed POTUS’s twitter like we do, you’d know that). I and other FReepers believe the upcoming vote is crucial, just like the 2016 election meant everything to our country’s survival.
Jack: “Are you aware of any evidence to support the theory that JFK Jr. and his passengers were murdered, as the meme suggests, to clear the path for Hillary to run for the Senate in NY, as the meme clearly suggests?”
I didn’t get that out of the meme-of-unknown-origin, but if you did, you could point it out. If you kept up on the thread, you’d know I’ve already specifically asked FReeQs not to post JFK Jr. conspiracy theories and you could help us out by pointing to that interpretation of it.
Jack: “Again, no evidence is presented to support this claim, but now the entire Q thread is infected with people talking like we know this happened.”
Again, if you kept up on our threads you’d know the “entire Q thread” is not infected with this. We work together to remove objectionable content from the thread. You could just LET US KNOW your concerns in two lines of text max or ask the Admin.
Jack: “PS: Who is (they) referred to in the 8chan meme? This seems like it might be a watered down form of the anti-Semitic (((they))). It’s hard to read 8chan because of the sickening and retarded anti-Semitism that fills every thread, including the Qanon threads. I’d hate to see that start showing up over here.”
Sounds like wishful thinking on your part, Jack. Really stretching it. You’ve been on our thread for months now working to undermine and discourage Q research (and researchers), but you don’t know what we do/do not support and you didn’t realize we work together to keep objectionable content off FR. So, you wrote an overblown post that works to portray us and the threads in a negative light, right down to suggesting we just might be heading toward antisemitism. We’ve done nothing to deserve that.
Let’s make a deal. I’ll stop posting that meme, and ask others not to post that meme. In return, you cease to post on our threads, given that you find us and our pursuits so thoroughly tainted and disreputable. Deal?
There is news and programming that is offensive everywhere you look, including occasionally in this forum.
Am I going to stop reading FR or on 8chan because some posts offend me?
No.
Thank you for your research and opinions. (You know what they say about opinions.)
My preference is that the thread errors toward inclusion not exclusion. Let the readers make up their minds.
Have you thought about the fact that Hillary has no personal moral code that would stop her from murdering for political gain? And that it’s common knowledge. This fact alone is quite a thing to contemplate.
So we see she had a powerful motive to get JFK Jr out of her way. And we see the only thing constraining her would have been the idea of getting caught.
it is with pleasure that I scrolled right past your post..I knew it was yours, droning and challenging.. bwahaha...what d’ya want, to charge that the top posts are raciss and thus get the thread shut down? loopy lou!!!