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Shroud of Turin Bloodstains Likely Fake, Not of Jesus Christ: Forensic Experts
Christian Post ^ | 07/17/2018 | Stoyan Zaimov

Posted on 07/17/2018 7:55:40 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Bloodstains found on the shroud of Turin burial cloth, believed by many to have once wrapped the body of Jesus Christ, are likely fake, according to new research reported in the Journal of Forensic Sciences.

In June 2017, researchers at the Institute of Crystallography found traces of blood on the 14-foot-long relic, with initial analysis of the particles discovering "a scenario of great suffering, whose victim was wrapped up in the funeral cloth."

The nanoparticles uncovered were found to not be typical of the blood of a healthy person.

The Journal of Forensic Sciences report on July 10 revealed that the bloodstain patterns were analyzed in a type of crime scene scenario. In the test, researchers found that the linen seems to have been patched with bloodstains from a standing model, and not from a crucified man or a facedown corpse.

"This is the kind of forensic work done all the time in police investigations," forensic scientist Matteo Borrini from Liverpool John Moores University told BuzzFeed News.

"Even a crucified or hanging person should leave a distinct blood pattern on the cloth, which would be fascinating information to have."

Borrini, a Roman Catholic, said that he carried out the investigation with the aid of chemist Luigi Garlaschelli of the University of Pavia in Italy, initially looking to determine whether the blood patterns match the crucifixion of a person in a T-shaped or Y-shaped manner.

The researchers pumped blood onto a model at the wound points found on the shroud and studied the angle in which gravity pulled the liquid down.

The bloodstains did not match up with any pose, however, with the evidence suggesting that a standing model was used to imprint the patterns for the hands, the chest, and the back.

"This is just not what happens to a person on a cross," Borrini said, noting that the comparison model displayed very different blood angle patterns than the shroud.

He said that his own faith doesn't rely on the legitimacy of the shroud, however.

"The church itself would like to know what things are real, and what are not," he added. "This isn't the Middle Ages anymore."

Jonathyn Priest of Bevel, Gardner and Associates Inc. in Norman, Oklahoma, who is a bloodstain pattern expert, said that while the science and the methodology used in the study were sound, they may not be accounting for when the body was moved such as being carried and prepared for burial.

Priest also told BuzzFeed that the amount of blood from the wrists on the shroud would "more than likely" have needed the heart to have been beating at the time the bloodflow formed, however.

"The fact that flowing bloodstains exist at all on a deceased body that was reportedly cleaned also raises questions," he added.

Besides the blood stains, the imprints and the age of the cloth itself continue to fascinate believers around the world.

In 1988, radiocarbon measurements suggested that the shroud was a forgery made somewhere between 1260–1390 A.D., but later research found that the fibers tested at the time were from a patch added later on the shroud, and not part of the original cloth.

DNA sequencing tests in 2015 found pollen and dust particles from the shroud belonging to plants from South America, the Middle East, Central Africa, Central Asia, China, and other regions.

The Catholic Church has never declared the shroud to be a genuine religious relic, but regards it as an icon, attracting millions of people when it is put up for public display at the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist in Turin, where it is kept.


TOPICS: History; Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: ancientautopsies; bloodtype; bloodtypes; bloostains; forensics; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; shroudofturin
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1 posted on 07/17/2018 7:55:40 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Shocked. Yes. I’m shocked.


2 posted on 07/17/2018 7:57:56 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well I guess that settles it. They ‘might not be’ ...


3 posted on 07/17/2018 7:58:59 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare itself.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The 13th century forgers could not have predicted the forensics technology of the 21st century.


4 posted on 07/17/2018 8:00:21 AM PDT by Blue House Sue
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To: SeekAndFind

Meh, I never put any stock into that thing anyways.


5 posted on 07/17/2018 8:00:54 AM PDT by VaeVictis (~Woe to the Conquered~)
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To: SeekAndFind

To bad the original scientists that actually were given hands on access to the shroud disagree. Plenty of youtube videos of thoe few still living discussing this.


6 posted on 07/17/2018 8:02:16 AM PDT by Dogbert41 (When the strong man, fully armed, guards his own dwelling, his goods are safe. -Luke 11:21y)
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To: SeekAndFind

Dumb. Jesus was taken down from the cross. Why would anyone expect he was laid flat on the ground, and not wrapped in the shroud as he was taken down from the cross? What the researcher means is “the blood flows don’t match the way I wrapped him.”


7 posted on 07/17/2018 8:02:30 AM PDT by dangus
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s a piece of Art


8 posted on 07/17/2018 8:05:02 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: SeekAndFind

The Shroud of Turin, as with any holy relic, is supposed to facilitate the Christian’s interaction with God. Its contemplation can help one contemplate the suffering of Jesus Christ, who died for our sins.


9 posted on 07/17/2018 8:05:03 AM PDT by karnage
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To: Blue House Sue
The 13th century forgers could not have predicted the forensics technology of the 21st century.

And so...? That means that...?

Regards,

10 posted on 07/17/2018 8:06:59 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"This isn't the Middle Ages anymore."

I didn't expect a kind of Middle Ages.

11 posted on 07/17/2018 8:07:01 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Blue House Sue

A bit beyond Cadfael.


12 posted on 07/17/2018 8:12:47 AM PDT by wally_bert (Just call me Angelo or babe.)
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To: SeekAndFind

And we know His blood type just how??


13 posted on 07/17/2018 8:22:00 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: karnage
The Shroud of Turin, as with any holy relic, is supposed to facilitate the Christian’s interaction with God. Its contemplation can help one contemplate the suffering of Jesus Christ, who died for our sins.

Why not read His Word giving the account of His "trial", the beatings, the crucifixion....or pray to Him?

14 posted on 07/17/2018 8:24:32 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: SeekAndFind
A big HOWEVER the headline misses:

Jonathyn Priest of Bevel, Gardner and Associates Inc. in Norman, Oklahoma, who is a bloodstain pattern expert, said that while the science and the methodology used in the study were sound, they may not be accounting for when the body was moved such as being carried and prepared for burial.

Priest also told BuzzFeed that the amount of blood from the wrists on the shroud would "more than likely" have needed the heart to have been beating at the time the bloodflow formed, however.

15 posted on 07/17/2018 8:25:53 AM PDT by georgiegirl (Count me Deplorable)
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To: SeekAndFind

Everytime these scientists try to prove the shroud fake the opposite happens.


16 posted on 07/17/2018 8:33:10 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: alexander_busek

“And so...? That means that...?”

It means that science and technology will uncover forgeries.


17 posted on 07/17/2018 8:38:03 AM PDT by Blue House Sue
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To: MUDDOG

Oh no?


18 posted on 07/17/2018 8:48:34 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: longfellow
Everytime these scientists try to prove the shroud fake the opposite happens.
They have to try to prove the shroud is fake because the only one who can prove it's real is Christ.
19 posted on 07/17/2018 8:56:15 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Sudarium of Oviedo:
www.shroud.com/guscin.htm

Is the matching facecloth John describes in his account of the crucifixion. Its known to have been in existence since around 1200AD. The blood stains on the face cloth match up with the Shroud.

Note the article references the 1988 (flawed) carbon test where the swatch taken for testing came from a corner repaired from the fire that almost destroyed the Shroud in the 1500’s.

Not everyone knows about the “botched” carbon testing because naturally “fake news” ignores any news that conflicts with their story line.

The only question I would have for the authors of this piece is who funded the “study”. Obviously they started off with an agenda (since they ignore other streams of evidence) and wrote the article with the purpose of calling it a fake.


20 posted on 07/17/2018 9:00:20 AM PDT by overdog2
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