Posted on 06/26/2018 12:44:27 AM PDT by Norski
That is absolute crap. Dogs of all sorts kill chickens, certainly not any less than pit bulls. You really need to jettison that crap and stick to cities and suburbs where pit bulls are a legitimate menace to people.
Some dogs make a hobby out of killing chickens.... Greyhound, Weimaraner, Jack Russell Terrier, Siberian Husky. His anecdote is "My personal favorite chicken killer is the Siberian Husky, but my Pit Bull hangs and guards my small livestock."
After consideration possibly I would not have, either. And it is better that the dog killed another dog rather than a human.
Estimating the under-reporting
ANIMALS 24-7 has since 2013 sought to estimate the total numbers of dog attacks on other animals, and the contribution of pit bulls to the total, by estimating the under-reporting factors and then projecting the available data by whatever those factors are.
Based on the thousands of dog attack accounts we have logged and evaluated, we believe that at minimum the number of reported attacks is only a third of those that are reported, even in the smallest towns, where any event out of the unusual tends to make news.
Least likely to be reported are dog attacks on other animals in which the victim animal or animals belongs to the same household as the attacking dog.
Yet these are the households, the data involving human deaths and injuries indicates, where dogs are most likely to kill and disfigure other animals, simply as a matter of proximity and opportunity.
Also tending to go unreported are dog attacks on other animals in which no human is injured, no one kills the attacking dog, and the economic value of the victim animals is not high enough to encourage the animals’ owners to pursue litigation.
Accordingly, we believe that at minimum the numbers of reported dog attack victim animals must be multiplied by three to get a representative total.
“1. Choose a breed that is known for doing the job you want done. If you want a herding dog, buy a herding breed, such as a Border Collie or English Shepherd. If you want a livestock guardian, buy one of the LGD breeds, such as Great Pyrenees or Anatolian Shepherd.”
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Some dogs make a hobby out of killing chickens.... Greyhound, Weimaraner, Jack Russell Terrier, Siberian Husky. His anecdote is “My personal favorite chicken killer is the Siberian Husky, but my Pit Bull hangs and guards my small livestock.”
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Farmers that keep chicken-killing dogs eventually have no more chickens. Allowing a dog to have a “hobby” of killing one’s livelihood or food is sheer folly.
Greyhounds and Weimaraners are hunting dogs, the Jack Russell is a terrier, bred to kill vermin, and the Husky is well-known for its propensities for killing and eating anything.
A pit bull “livestock-guarding” dog is a contradiction in terms.
From the above article as well:
Rural vs. urban
“The reality we ended up having to work from, in trying to project the probable 2016 totals of dog attacks on other animals, is that data from communities of under 1,000 people showed one fatal or disfiguring dog attack on other animals per 294 residents, while data from communities of over one million people showed only one fatal or disfiguring dog attack on other animals per 844,774 residents.
A case can be made that the data from the smallest and most rural communities is likely to be the most complete and accurate. On the other hand, people in the smallest and most rural communities are also likely to keep the most animals, while people in urban metropolises keep the least––and relatively few Americans live in small communities, while more than 75% live in cities.
Such wide discrepancies can be resolved by looking carefully at the numbers from communities of in-between size, and we did spend two days doing it.”
51%? 98%?
And I thought we were talking about dog biting in general. I was unaware you were pushing an agenda against a certain category.
The problem is that if you are talking about "pit bulls" it is a generalization so broad as to be unusable, it is like the gun grabbers using "assault weapon".
You might as well call them "short haired dogs with four legs"
I do not recall seeing your name on any of the responses in any of these threads previously, and so these threads are most likely new to you.
Please go to “General Chat” and enter the keyword “pit bull” to see the list of postings on dogs and specifically of pit bull dogs, over the last 6+ months. There is a very large amount of historical and current information and discussion available.
Yes, the agenda is the problem of “pit bull type” dogs.
Thank you for your posts.
The largest parts of the problem are that:
Pit Bulls make up about 5-6.5% of the dog population.
Pit Bulls commit unprovoked attacks, mayhem, mauling, and deaths at about 10 time the rate of their numbers.
Pit Bulls kill people in the USA at the rate of about one every two weeks or less.
The rate of the above items is accelerating.
A pit bull “livestock-guarding” dog is a contradiction in terms.
Depends on the dog. Obviously since you have no experience whatsoever and you believe whatever crap you read on the internet about pit bulls no guarding livestock. I have no experience with them either. But I have seen plenty of dogs of all sorts of mixes kill chickens. Most had pointed snouts like a shepard but were smaller. I can say fairly certainly that millions of chickens are killed, not "About 7,500 hoofed animals, poultry, and wildlife", and with certainty that the vast majority are killed by other breeds especially common mixed breeds.
Condescend much?
Not posting does not equate not reading you know.
Yes, the agenda is the problem of “pit bull type” dogs.
Thank you for admitting that you have an agenda.
If I remember the way it ended correctly one of the officers adopted the dog. Never knew what happened to the dealer.
Yep.
Do you know if there is any correlation between neutering/ spaying rates per breed and attacks?
Here is an article excerpt on the subject - please note that it was published in 2015- I do recommend going to the link and reading the entire article. Thank you for asking.
https://www.animals24-7.org/2015/08/14/does-castration-really-alter-male-dog-behavior/
Does castration really alter male dog behavior?
August 14, 2015 by Merritt Clifton
From 0.5 dead per year in 1960 to 40+ now
More than 70% of the dogs in the U.S. were sterilized by 1991, and more than 80% today, exclusive of pit bulls, among whom the sterilization rate is circa 25% or lower. Pit bulls are now 6% of the U.S. dog population. Dog bites requiring medical treatment have increased to more than 4.5 million per year. Fatalities in the present decade are averaging nearly 40 per year, with an average of 30 inflicted by pit bulls.
SAFER test
ASPCA SAFER food test. (ASPCA photo)
About two-thirds of the fatal and disfiguring dog attacks occurring in the U.S. during the past 33 years have been by pit bulls. The low rate of sterilization among pit bulls contributes mightily to the repeated finding that the majority of fatal and disfiguring dog attacks are by non-castrated male dogs. But about two-thirds of the fatal and disfiguring attacks by castrated male dogs are also by pit bulls.
Particularly telling is that dogs rehomed from animal shelters have killed 38 people from 2010 to mid-2015, all of the dogs either castrated or spayed, and all having passed behavioral screening. Among these dogs have been 30 pit bulls, seven bull mastiffs, two Rottweilers, a Lab who may have been part pit bull, and a husky.
I appreciate your comments and feedback.
Thank you, Norski.
When I first began to look at these attacks, this breed-type of dog, and these pit bull owners and apologists, I was insulted, called names, and told to “educate myself”.
I educated myself. Other people have also done this.
What I have found, at the end of my latest search, is that these dogs have been bred for brain abnormalities.
. . .abnormal disinhibited behavior is not functional, and it is unpredictable. Although high arousal and sudden attack can be functional in certain environments, this behavior is pathological in a safer environment, where a high level of arousal and aggressiveness are not necessary and only lead to unnecessary attacks and injuries. Research implicates the frontal cortex, subcortical structures, and lowered activity of the serotonergic system in impulsive aggression in both dogs and humans. Impulsive aggressive behavior in dogs seems to have a different biological basis than appropriate aggressive behavior.
Kathelijne Peremans, DVM discovered this by studying two different populations of impulsively aggressive dogs. Each dog had executed one or more attacks without the classical preceding warnings, and the severity of the attacks was out of all proportion to environmental stimuli. Peremans found a significant difference in the frontal and temporal cortices of these dogs, but not in the subcortical areas, compared to normal dogs. Peremans also found significant dysfunctions of the serotonergic systems among these dogs.
(Excerpt from book: The science of how behavior is inherited in aggressive dogs)(Semyonova)
(For me it means the biter.)
Thanks for that article on sterilization. Makes sense.
I will count on 40+ years of experience and learning around dogs of this type over hyperbole and biased articles every single day. I have seen good dogs and I have seen dogs that have given me chills. You make your own decisions. My track record with rescuing and raising really good dogs speaks for itself. You might want to check out some true experts in the field. Those working not only with pits, but those who have rescued fighting pits. The Vick dogs. The worst of the worst. http://www.championsdocumentary.com
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