Q Anon: (5/2/18) FRiendly Freeper Collaboration

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[JockoManning]

It makes no sense to you with the information you have available. None of us know what we don't know that we don't know.

[Swordmaker]

However, the WTC steel was encased in a lot of concrete

NO IT WASN'T, Jocko. Your sources are lying to you. The FLOOR SUPPORT TRUSSES WERE NOT ENCASED IN CONCRETE!

That was one of the design innovations of that building to keep it light weight so it COULD be built taller with no internal columns breaking up the floors between the central services column and the curtain wall. The trusses were open and visible above the false ceilings. Metal floor pans were mounted on the main trusses and a light rebar grid was built above that and then a thin concrete floor was poured. The concrete floor is not "structural." The only structural use of concrete in the building was utilized in erecting the central core and pouring the foundation. Here is simplified floor schematic of the World Trace Tower's design:

World Trade Center Floor Schematic

World Trade Center Building One with Trusses up to floor 37 sprayed with a
thick asbestos based anti-fire insulation

World Trade Tower Building One (above 37) and WTC all of Building Two show
much thinner non-asbestos anti-fire insulation or none at all.

Note that the bridge girders ARE NOT ENCASED IN CONCRETE.

This is why I called your sources the "tin-foil hat brigade"... because they ignore FACTS to build completely false narratives to pull in people who believe what they write as Gospel truth when they've made it up out of whole cloth.

These people are not the "experts" they claim themselves to be. Jocko, you have to do what I do when presented with extraordinary claims: go back to the original source material and look for yourself. . . and then go to the manufacturer's specifications and check there. Then, if you don't know how to do the math, learn how and do it yourself.

[greeneyes]

Yep. I hope he is voted out.

[STJPII]

Is 8chan under attack? The catalog pages are gone?

[Swordmaker]

Many many thanks for those pictures !!!

You're welcome. It's amazing how much disinformation builds up on the internet which can be countered with some factual data.

[WildHighlander57]

And thanks for these also, and for the tech info !

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3652240/posts?page=1962#1962

[Mazey]

I do!

I finally felt up to researching 9/11, and went to the architects and engineers site. I’ve never had the vocabulary to explain the visual and visceral dissonance I experienced while watching 9/11.

This site certainly explained, illustrated, and adressed many aspects in a non-sensational way. I recommend it highly, whichever way you think about events around 9/11. I’m sure many have seen it already, but I only recently was able to “go looking”.

https://www.ae911truth.org

I am still wondering about the people in the planes, and the phone calls they made. It never made sense to me, but I can only explore 9/11 for limited periods of time. I’ve often thought about Barbara Olsen over the years, and I would like some more information.

Thanks for volunteering. ;-)

[defconw]

It is very interesting subject. Wonder if we will ever really find out what happened.

[MHGinTN]

Yup, the hijackers knew exactly where to hit the P-gon, to stop that audit looking for trillions missing from the budget monies.

And that twin towers thing? well of course the collapsing in almost free fall speed dustified the masses so they didn't rupture the dyke holding out the Hudson River from inundating lower Manhattan.

Be so thankful for the rainbow pills offered to you citizen ... or else be ridiculed for wanting truth.-

[Swordmaker]

1. I think Dr Judy Wood's note of the buildings falling at the rate of a free-falling rock negates the scenario of the weight of the upper floors collapsing the building through softened steel. There WOULD be some bit of delay as the falling parts crashed into the next floor. That would negate the free fall speed. imho. We just found her presentation and that of architects and engineers for 9/11 truth to be convincing in most respects.

Jocko, you misunderstand. The softening steel is only the initiating proximate cause of the collapse. None of the rest of the floors collapse due to any softening steel. They collapse by sheering off their cleats or literally the main trusses just completely fail as the weight on them is so far beyond their designed safety parameters. After the first couple of floors land on the next, the sheer weight is far more than the cleats can withstand for even a fraction a second and there literally no resistance to oppose the force. lt lets go instantly. They are not designed to hold under the weight of three or four or five or six, etc. floors of debris hitting them at an ever accelerating velocity (try calculating the kinetic energy of THAT MASS) of 32 feet per second per second.

Keep in mind, also, that the plane that hit each of the WTC Towers took out an appreciable percentage of 200 feet of the 240 feet of one or more side's exterior support curtain wall across at least two floors. These ARE structural members of these buildings' design and are integral in supporting the floors. The curtain wall takes the place of vertical iBeams in normal building construction. Remove 150 feet of curtain wall and floors above that section which was obliterated is no longer fully supported and the forces which those now-obliterated curtain wall sections have to be picked up by other sections of curtain wall, at vector angles for which they were NOT designed to handle. Two to maybe ten segments, yes, they were designed to handle, but not 80 to over 120 missing segments on two or three floors. Now, add fire, hot fire. . . without the level of fire insulation on the structural steel members the architects specified was required.

The plane parts in the wreckage of the Pentagon are difficult to reconcile. It was either a plane or a lot of big plane parts loaded onto a big drone. It it was a plane, it is not logical that it was flown so expertly by incompetent hijackers. It may have been flown by remote control.

Jocko, flying a plane accurately by remote control is far harder than flying a plane by an on-board pilot. There is no feel for the plane, no feel of acceleration, no feel for where the ground is, and really no 3D forward looking vision until just recently. There is also a built-in lag time which results in additional reaction time delay which can be disastrous, especially in attempting an approach close to the ground.

As for Qx and his insights into Bush, this deponeth sayeth not, because I truly do not know. I do believe, given his family connections, that It is entirely possible he was aware.

[Swordmaker]

So, what's the most logical conclusion of that?

That the MSM is trying to spin as fast as they can rotate this to make it look voluntary.

[Pete from Shawnee Mission]

So, edited out the resignation replaced with firing! Excellent!

[MHGinTN]

Are you employed to spin dissonance or just this determined to spread the disinformation fog supported by staged crap? Physics says therer is so far no explanation which fits what happened to the towers. To so arduously spin for one explanation or another is suspect therefore. And if you want me to shut up and get out of your way just let Jim know I am questioning the 911 conventional explanation.

[Pete from Shawnee Mission]

I just got back from work.

(I Apologize to everyone for ever, ever responding to a 9-11 post!)

The Q thread? Can someone point me to a recent summary? Thanks!

[Mazey]

I finally looked at her name when you mentioned how to spell it. And now I know.

Toe N Sing. A new dance move.

[JockoManning]

Ahhhh.

[JockoManning]

Are you employed to spin dissonance or just this determined to spread the disinformation fog supported by staged crap? Physics says there is so far no explanation which fits what happened to the towers. To so arduously spin for one explanation or another is suspect therefore. And if you want me to shut up and get out of your way just let Jim know I am questioning the 911 conventional explanation.

Well put. Indeed. What did you think of Judy Wood's research and explanation and of the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth's research and explanations? I know they did not agree across the board.

[JockoManning]

Hey, it's a valid topic when we are talking about the skulduggery of the satanic oligarchy that Q & POTUS TRUMP are working so hard against.

That it triggers a lot of people to emotional excess is not all that shocking, sadly.

[Mazey]

I am serious, I would love to hear the information you’ve come across.

After five and a half months of Q inspired researching, I appreciate how much research that goes on here, and how much I miss. Limited time, but if you have a link, or site, or search term, I’d love to have it. Feel free to private, I’m not interested in upsetting anyone, just looking for clues to finding answers to questions I have.

It’s interesting that the architect and engineer site does address how much information we, as individuals, and a nation, can hear and assimilate. They have a video section of different professionals talking about the mental trauma of that day.

Thanks

[Swordmaker]

I still think Dr Judy Wood’s research on that point is more convincing. She went backwards and over that issue with a fine toothed comb. And her PhD was smack in the middle of the physics of the materials.

Dr. Wood's area of engineering expertise is BIO-mechanics, not steel or building mechanics. They are two completely different areas of study and really do not intersect. She is talking about something outside of her actual field of expertise... or really on the fringes of her field, challenging people whose life work is in that field. Sorry, I do not give her opinions much weight.

She's a proponent of the non-reproducible "Hutchison Effect." While it is entirely possible that there is something to what Hutchison tapped into (I am a proponent of the Plasma/Electric Universe), he ruined himself and others by faking some of his evidence. That fakery redounds onto Dr. Wood's credibility since she has never admitted his culpability in that fakery, even when Hutchison admitted it. It is particularly egregious because much of her claims about the WTC failure is based on the use of the Hutchison Effect.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. She fails. It is why Wood is a former assistant Professor, and has so few peer-reviewed papers to her name, all from 2004 or before.

She is the very definition of a tin-foil hat brigade member, Jocko, and in my opinion could be their poster child.