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To: fuzzylogic; Swordmaker; TexasGunLover; aMorePerfectUnion; FredZarguna; All
I think this may be the last time I ask this question (here on FR) as it seems no one can really say it's wrong. But I desperately want it to be wrong, as, believe me FRiends, I am no fan of Apple Inc., but after trying very hard to find a replacement phone (and I need a smartphone for my work and life now), I can't find one as good as iPhone.

So here goes one more time: Is it, or is it NOT true, that Android devices are not updated regularly, if not to the next OS, at least security patches? I ask this because, after following your conversation with Swordmaker, it does not seem you refuted him when he presented evidence of this. This last reply of yours, with all due respect, does not refute this claim. And again, I want it to be refuted believe me! (read the hyperlinked post of my disgusting experience with Apple). I'm no "iSheep"! I hate Apple Inc., but can't feel even now that I can trust my data to any other manufacturer.

Others pinged from the thread because I'd like as many opinions as possible on the question above thank you. And please, if possible, prove your assertions (like it appears, at least to me, Swordmaker has). My refusal to go to another type of smartphone has nothing to do with some blind fanboi love of Apple, believe me. It's simply because I've never seen anyone prove that the assertion "Android devices are not updated regularly", is false. The minute someone does that, to my satisfaction, is when I leave Apple Inc. in the rear-view mirror forever. Believe me!

37 posted on 04/19/2018 3:25:20 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven

That’s because my main issue is that his position is overstated on both OS’s, but I didn’t state *wrong*. Any system is only as secure as the behavior of the user. I make sure I only download from the Android store, I check the security permissions of the application I’m about to install, I don’t side-load apps. An awful lot of threats involve actions by the user. NO SYSTEM IS *****EVER***** 100% secure, it’s just about what kind of REAL delta that we’re talking about.

It has been a very long time since I had any problems on either an Android phone (I’ve owned them for a long time) or a Windows machine, things are far from where they used to be and are greatly improved. I refuse to pay the ridiculous Apple prices. Good behavior goes a long way. Since Android Lollipop the use of SE-Linux, which defaults resource access to “denied” unless explicitly allowed, along with filesystem tamper detection mechanisms like “dm-verity” made the environment *much* better. The major Android phone makers (e.g. Samsung) do provide security updates. Apple has pushed out updates that did things people didn’t want or like. I like to be in control. New Android phones are far removed from where things used to be, while there’s an acceleration of attempts to hack iOS devices, which will find new exploits. As Android devices can be made cheaply, by crappy device makers, expect cheap support. I don’t buy those. Lumping all Android devices together is a mistake.

I’m a highly qualified software architect, I understand what not to do better than most - which also biases me toward the less expensive, with Apple you *always* pay a premium.

So the main point is, yes, Apple has a better track record but the gap has narrowed greatly and the rising bad statistics are on the iOS side. How much more do you want to pay for the one being *perceived* as better moving forward? ...because as of right now, a lot of it is perception, especially against quality Android devices. If you’re conscious of what you do, and what not to do, I wouldn’t worry (I don’t). Are you sure the Spectre and Meltdown fixes from Apple *truely* fix all the problems? I’ve seen these “fixes” go round and round, people are still unsure.


38 posted on 04/19/2018 4:36:35 PM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: FourtySeven
So here goes one more time: Is it, or is it NOT true, that Android devices are not updated regularly, if not to the next OS, at least security patches? I ask this because, after following your conversation with Swordmaker, it does not seem you refuted him when he presented evidence of this. This last reply of yours, with all due respect, does not refute this claim. And again, I want it to be refuted believe me! (read the hyperlinked post of my disgusting experience with Apple). I'm no "iSheep"! I hate Apple Inc., but can't feel even now that I can trust my data to any other manufacturer.

See reply #34.

I am sorry you had such a problem with Apple and UPS. I'm sure the problem comes from crooks trying to scam Apple with the same kind of "Lost shipment" story. UPS tossed a $1500 Apple MacBook over my back fence when it had a signature required delivery and then claimed they delivered it to my front door and GOT my signature! The box fell down behind my wood pile and it took several days to find, in the meantime I had already started the same song-and-dance with UPS, but only worse. They claimed I had not only gotten it, I had signed for it on their little computer thingy. They even sent me a copy of my "signature," an illegible scribble that was by no stretch anything close to my signature. So I do sympathize.

On the other hand, I have been present when one client took a two year out of warranty Mac notebook into the Genius Bar because of a problem and Apple replaced it free of charge with a brand-new $2500 off-the-shelf one because they couldn't fix the problem. They even transferred all of his data for her. She got the Fairy Godmother department. You apparently got connected to the department of dirty tricks...which is very rare with Apple.

My experiences and strong recommendation is to give them another chance to connect you with the Fairy Godmother department.

41 posted on 04/19/2018 8:47:31 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: FourtySeven
I don't generally get on these threads, and I even more generally don't reply to Swordmaker because these folks are cultists, pure and simple, and there is no point in replying to them. Their beliefs are not fact based.

I made no attempt to "refute" him because I have no interest in his religion.

Android devices are updated regularly. I have no idea where you got the impression--except maybe from iSheeple--that they aren't. I just had an update two days ago to the Moto G5 Plus, and that phone is unlocked, OEM. My S8 is updated all the time. My wife's S6 is regularly updated. My rooted Google Pixel is updated regularly. Yes: OS and security patches when needed. And I would not say they're updated more or less often than my iPhone X.

42 posted on 04/19/2018 8:54:25 PM PDT by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward 5th Avenue to be born?)
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