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To: Swordmaker

You’re distorting a lot of information and the landscape is constantly changing. Malware is considered to be a wide ranging set of threats, including spyware. Hackers will always target the most deployed systems, which is Android and Windows, period.

As iOS has become more widespread it’s getting more attention and the rates of change (in successful exploits) are increasingly worse for iOS.

For your own well being, I’m just recommending that you don’t have too much faith in iOS, ...goes for everyone.

https://www.skycure.com/pr/report-finds-rate-ios-malware-increasing-faster-android-malware-iphone-ten-year-anniversary/


36 posted on 04/19/2018 2:24:57 PM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: fuzzylogic; Swordmaker; TexasGunLover; aMorePerfectUnion; FredZarguna; All
I think this may be the last time I ask this question (here on FR) as it seems no one can really say it's wrong. But I desperately want it to be wrong, as, believe me FRiends, I am no fan of Apple Inc., but after trying very hard to find a replacement phone (and I need a smartphone for my work and life now), I can't find one as good as iPhone.

So here goes one more time: Is it, or is it NOT true, that Android devices are not updated regularly, if not to the next OS, at least security patches? I ask this because, after following your conversation with Swordmaker, it does not seem you refuted him when he presented evidence of this. This last reply of yours, with all due respect, does not refute this claim. And again, I want it to be refuted believe me! (read the hyperlinked post of my disgusting experience with Apple). I'm no "iSheep"! I hate Apple Inc., but can't feel even now that I can trust my data to any other manufacturer.

Others pinged from the thread because I'd like as many opinions as possible on the question above thank you. And please, if possible, prove your assertions (like it appears, at least to me, Swordmaker has). My refusal to go to another type of smartphone has nothing to do with some blind fanboi love of Apple, believe me. It's simply because I've never seen anyone prove that the assertion "Android devices are not updated regularly", is false. The minute someone does that, to my satisfaction, is when I leave Apple Inc. in the rear-view mirror forever. Believe me!

37 posted on 04/19/2018 3:25:20 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: fuzzylogic; dayglored; House Atreides; aMorePerfectUnion; ETCS; Mark17; Menehune56
You’re distorting a lot of information and the landscape is constantly changing. Malware is considered to be a wide ranging set of threats, including spyware. Hackers will always target the most deployed systems, which is Android and Windows, period.

No, they don't. They target VULNERABLE targets, fuzzy. If you think that, why did someone write a self-propagating virus/worm to infect all 18,000 Black Ice Firewalls that had not been updated. These vulnerable computers were spread all over the world yet within 35 minutes of the worm being released onto the internet all 18,000 vulnerable computers were infected.

There are over 150 MILLION Apple Macs in the wild, with 99% of them operating without any kind of third-party anti-malware at all. Countless studies have shown that Apple Mac users are wealthier and have more disposable income than PC users. So, Fuzzy, here are approximately 148.5 million unprotected, bare naked wealthy Mac users sitting there dumb and stupid targets, just waiting to be fleeced of their money, while over there are armored to the teeth Windows PCs people, covered and protected with their anti-Virus wares. Why then have there been ZERO viable viruses/worms and only about 140 known Trojans for OSX/macOS Macs in the over 20 years that they have been in the wild?

As iOS has become more widespread it’s getting more attention and the rates of change (in successful exploits) are increasingly worse for iOS.

The number of viable EXPLOITS in the wild that could invade a fully up-to-date iOS device can still be counted on the fingers of ONE HAND, Fuzzy. Name any you think are "Increasingly worse for iOS." Name ANY that have had a major impact. Almost every one of them you may have heard about were for JAILBROKEN iPhones, i.e. iPhones that had their protections REMOVED.

https://www.skycure.com/pr/report-finds-rate-ios-malware-increasing-faster-android-malware-iphone-ten-year-anniversary/

Do you have any inkling of what "Disclosed iOS Vulnerabilities" are, and WHO disclosed the vast majority of them? Apple disclosed them, Fuzzy, AFTER they patched them. Among the "Oh, so dangerous vulnerabilities" were a host of vulnerabilities they listed from China where they listed all the problems with JAILBROKEN iPhones. . . and the XcodeGhost, none of which ever made it to the USA. There were a TOTAL of 3,830 infected apps on THIRD-PARTY App stores, something that the Chinese do, because a lot of them JAILBREAK their devices. In other words, they take out the built-in protections and then download apps from really sketchy sources made by people who upload un-curated apps.

After TEN YEARS of experience with iOS, and TWENTY years of experience with OSX/macOS, we have a lot more experience to base our reliance on these operating systems and their security. We've been told what you are saying for those same ten and twenty years. You sound like Chicken Little... and have just as much credibility. You have ZERO credible evidence for all your running around. crying the "Sky is falling" and claiming we need to use the SAME steel umbrella protections you guys with your Swiss cheese OSes have to use if we are ever going to be secure. Our years' long experience, while listening and watching you continually patch your umbrellas, is we really don't.

40 posted on 04/19/2018 8:24:29 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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