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1 posted on 03/31/2018 9:08:45 AM PDT by MNDude
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Her reporting of the dream to PP clarified his sin, removed the ambivalence. Today a dream wouldn’t hold much weight in court but in 30AD it probably would have.


2 posted on 03/31/2018 9:13:43 AM PDT by arthurus (ui)
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No human knows where dreams come from. Unless scripture states an angel or demon was involved it was probably just a dream.


3 posted on 03/31/2018 9:17:27 AM PDT by plain talk
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God could have given all of Jerusalem the same dream but chose not to. Instead He warned a select few who maybe had no power to stop the crucifixion but who could have an influence after the fact?


5 posted on 03/31/2018 9:20:57 AM PDT by tellw (ed)
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I recently saw the film “Risen” about the Roman investigation into the Resurrection - the actor that played Pontius Pilate did an excellent job.


6 posted on 03/31/2018 9:22:45 AM PDT by dainbramaged (Get out of my country now)
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I believe God sent her the dream, but he also knew Pontus would crucify Jesus.

As Saint Paul says, this sweeps ashes over their heads. Not your doing but rather God’s.

Romans 12:20 On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”

Further, I do not believe Satan has the Power to do something God won’t allow. So in essence, Satan’s acts are God’s.

This doesn’t make God evil in any way. All humanity has choices—we have inherent Free Will.

But so does Satan. Satan more than any other CREATURE, has run away with his choices, well knowing, beyond any other creature, the penalty for this.


7 posted on 03/31/2018 9:22:46 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Keep fighting the Left and their Fake News!)
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I think your dreams are manifestations of one’s fears and desires.

I think the Bible says that for a dream to be a forecast, it has to happen 3 times.


8 posted on 03/31/2018 9:23:36 AM PDT by yarddog
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Interesting question. Dreams are very common in the Bible, as a harbinger of the future, a kind of oracle, or description of some hidden reality.

Your question could be rephrased to be: “in the Christian worldview, what are dreams?”


9 posted on 03/31/2018 9:25:12 AM PDT by PGR88
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The dream can be seen as natural and normal, an expression of the anxieties of Pilate's wife about a politically dangerous issue. Yet, as a matter of teleology, the dream was most likely intended as a warning to Pilate and in respect of his free will. Since the demonic scorns human free will, it would not be the source of the dream.

The larger point is that as much as the Passion of Christ was according to Divine purpose, all involved -- including Christ -- acted of free will. Read carefully, the Gospels show this again and again, in ways large and small. I think that the dream that warned Pilate makes the point that even Pilate had a choice.

13 posted on 03/31/2018 9:36:36 AM PDT by Rockingham
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Maybe she was a harridan like Hillary Clinton ... which would explain why Pilate ignored her. :-P


14 posted on 03/31/2018 9:45:06 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.")
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Okay, I’ll go against the grain here and say that possibly the dream came from Satan since Satan knew who Jesus was and probably knew that Jesus being killed would destroy the works of Satan.

Who knows though?


15 posted on 03/31/2018 9:46:46 AM PDT by Ammo Republic 15
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A lump of undigested gruel?


16 posted on 03/31/2018 9:48:05 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Burn. It. Down.)
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Pilate DID listen and tried to tell the crowd that he found no fault in Jesus. They wouldn’t listen and Pilate wanted to save his own skin so he acquiesced to the barbarians


17 posted on 03/31/2018 9:52:38 AM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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I think the author’s question is, in a way, irrelevant. Pilate already knew that Jesus was innocent through his interrogation of Him. This is why Pilate tried to release Jesus several times.

Peter, in his impromptu sermon found in Acts 3:13

“The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.”

So, I guess my point is, Jesus was going to die on the cross for our sins - Pilate tried to stop it, and even though he knew Jesus was innocent, he let politics decide - he didn’t have the strength of character to release Jesus. But, I think, even if he had released Jesus, Jesus would still, somehow, have ultimately been crucified because it was the Father’s plan that He would pay the penalty for our sin in Himself, out of love for all mankind, because we were helpless to save ourselves.


21 posted on 03/31/2018 10:04:32 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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My grandson said Pilate was just mean. Any kid would be mean if you named him Punches.


23 posted on 03/31/2018 10:12:51 AM PDT by amihow
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Any attempt to halt Jesus’ death would have only come from Satan. I mean, for those of you who believe in such things.


25 posted on 03/31/2018 10:30:23 AM PDT by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done things in my life I'm not proud of. And the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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I think it was her love for her husband.


26 posted on 03/31/2018 10:32:30 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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It could have been her conscience, on behalf of her husband.


27 posted on 03/31/2018 10:48:57 AM PDT by robel
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In the report he sent to Caesar about it, Pilate said his wife was from Gaul and had a Spirit of divination. Such people appear to be able to access the Logos.


28 posted on 03/31/2018 11:24:45 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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It removed any excuse Pilate had.

Was Jesus going to be crucified? Yes.

Did Pilate have to be the the way it happened? No.

The assumption that it came from Satan trying to prevent the Crucifixion is not logical as there was a much surer roadblock he could have thrown up.

And when Judas had taken the piece of bread, Satan entered into him. Then Jesus said to Judas, "What you are about to do, do quickly"

- John 13:27

Satan does not enter Judas, Judas does not betray Jesus.

You assume that Satan knew what was going on. It is equally possible that Satan missed the clues and was going under the assumption that if he could prevent Jesus from being crowned King of the Jews he could prevent the salvation of the world.

Satan continually overestimates himself.

30 posted on 03/31/2018 11:50:03 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Bunnies, bunnies, it must be bunnies!! Or maybe midgets....)
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Only one Gospel (Matthew's) mentions this detail.

The other evidence we have for Pilate suggests he was a brutal man--probably Rome didn't send the first-rate governors to lower-level provinces. He is portrayed as reluctant to condemn Jesus but gives in to the demands of the chief priests (and their rent-a-mob)--he had been governor for several years so evidently the chief priests had learned how to manipulate him to get what they wanted.

31 posted on 03/31/2018 12:19:04 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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