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While I am a strong believer in being prepared for short to intermediate term catastrophes that could create serious dislocation and a temporary breakdown in the social order, I am really conflicted on taking the next step. I know enough about nuclear weapons to grasp that if we start tossing them around in large numbers that what bunkered survivors will find when they eventually come out of their hole in the ground is likely to resemble one of the inner circles of Hell. And there are a whole host of issues involved in living with other people in very close quarters for weeks on the optimistic side and years in a worse case scenario. The only thing that keeps me from just dismissing the idea outright and painting a giant bulls eye on my roof is that far more likely than a massive nuclear war is one or two bombs going off that will create enough fallout to threaten large numbers of people but w/o spelling the end of the world as we know it.
1 posted on 07/19/2017 8:11:33 AM PDT by NRx
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I'd settle for a well stocked root cellar just big enough of me and an amiable companion.


2 posted on 07/19/2017 8:16:32 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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after a few days the smell will kill you anyway...and when your batteries go down, it’ll get plenty dark and dank...


3 posted on 07/19/2017 8:23:18 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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“I know enough about nuclear weapons to grasp that if we start tossing them around in large numbers that what bunkered survivors will find when they eventually come out of their hole in the ground is likely to resemble one of the inner circles of Hell.”

The movies like to make you think that. But really it depends on where you live.

One or two bombs? Who cares? I live in a state that had DOZENS of nukes dropped on it. The rest of the country (to say nothing of the world) did not notice. Hell most of Nevada did not notice. Hell even a massive exchange would leave whole regions barely effected. If you live in the boonies, stock up on air filters and have enough food for a couple bad winters and you are probably going to live (until the cannibals).


4 posted on 07/19/2017 8:27:18 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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Post-doomsday scenarios have been discussed since the 1950’s and the fallout shelter era, so there exists a body of literature on the subject.

Like the 1958 classic “Alas Babylon”. I reread it recently and it is still not dated.

But I agree, short-term survival yes; but after that it may be like lovable old Nikita Khrushchev observed, “the survivors will envy the dead”.


6 posted on 07/19/2017 8:34:50 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam. Buy ammo.")
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Tom Lehrer - We Will All Go Together When We Go
7 posted on 07/19/2017 8:41:39 AM PDT by Maceman (Let's ban Muslims temporarily -- just until non-Muslims can freely practice their religions in Mecca)
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Books, books, and a guitar. Then don’t neglect hygene. When you emerge, so what if its a mad max wasteland? Call that a bonus round at life! Grab your AK and see what its about.

Make the best of it i say. Ok yeah, its a bummer the old world got hit by the asteroid and all, but what a thing to witness.


8 posted on 07/19/2017 8:42:35 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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The target interval I see repeated over and over for radioactivity to fall to acceptable levels is 7 weeks.

Thus I have based my survival psychology around that.

49 days stuck in my bunker with my wife, kid, toddler, and baby - all girls.

The enormity of that fact mocks and belittles the enormity of a global nuclear war.


9 posted on 07/19/2017 8:42:45 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Trump's election does not release you from your prepping responsibilites!)
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It takes all kinds. But odds are that people too fixated on the bunker will lose out.


10 posted on 07/19/2017 8:43:47 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Ever since Civil War, DNC = terrorists: KKK, black panthers; muslim refugees, BLM ...)
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Think of it as a Year of Jubilee when all the accounts are wiped clean. The most serious danger is that some continuity of government scheme will of -actually work- and the same SOB’s who got us into the nuclear war will emerge in charge on the other end.

That would be sad. If we get nuked, we should at least get a whole of new government out of it.


15 posted on 07/19/2017 8:48:09 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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Bunker Ping.


16 posted on 07/19/2017 8:50:22 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Reset Underway!)
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Bunker vs Ground Zero.

I choose Ground Zero, please.


19 posted on 07/19/2017 8:57:09 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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21 posted on 07/19/2017 9:04:43 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Reset Underway!)
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As a practitioner of nuclear warfare, I am confident there will not be an exchange in our lifetime.

I am, however, confident that there will be a civil clash, possibly by race and most likely by political affiliation, in our lifetime.

I prepare for the civil clash and not the long term nuclear warfare.


26 posted on 07/19/2017 9:18:15 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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You don’t get much fallout from an air burst, like you’d use on a city. You get lots of fallout when you use ground-level bombs against say a missile silo or command bunker, because the weapons neutrons first make the soil (and bunkers, concrete, and people) radioactive, then the thermal vaporizes it all and sends it up the convection column.

Trinity had far more fallout than Nagasaki or Hiroshima, and the Pacific tests where we vaporized entire islands generated lots more.

So it depends on where you are, and what the bomb target is.

I’m guessing that when the next war starts, the nukes will be used at sea, against say a carrier group, first. My second guess would be against a city using a smuggled-in device.


28 posted on 07/19/2017 9:38:50 AM PDT by DBrow
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That’s a well done, insightful video.


32 posted on 07/19/2017 9:54:22 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Reset Underway!)
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Prepare for the future... With Vault-Tec!
33 posted on 07/19/2017 10:48:47 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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IF it’s some rouge nation nuking us with 15 bombs - just hop in your car after a week of hiding from the radiation and drive to a neighboring city - or walk there.... Most residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki had no idea how to ‘hide’ from radiation - yet many of those people are still alive today...

It’s not the end of the world unless there’s an exchange of thousands of nukes OR if North Korea or Iran does an EMP attack.

Either way, people will survive and start over... If you’re in that spot - you’ll wish you had chosen to be one of the people who had mildly prepared... Same with hurricanes - buy the damn water and matches and charcoal, canned goods and a swing type can opener... and a car charger for your cell phone. Use your own stuff - then you won’t be burden on those around you.


39 posted on 07/19/2017 12:24:44 PM PDT by GOPJ ( MSM Snowflakes: if you don't like President Trump's tweets don't read 'em.)
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Hitler learns bunker life is not for the long term....


49 posted on 07/19/2017 5:34:22 PM PDT by xp38
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live near a port city, and between two military bases. Don’t have a bunker, can’t afford it, so...prepared to meet my Maker, and He’s not real happy with me right now.

Quit worrying about a Nuke War along time ago.


53 posted on 07/19/2017 6:51:23 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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I have a theory

From wikipedia

He was born in Selma, Alabama, on December 24, 1946,[1] the son of Jefferson Beauregard Sessions, Jr., and the former Abbie Powe.[2] He was named after his father, who was named after his grandfather, who was named after Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederate States of America,[3] and P. G. T. Beauregard, the Confederate general who oversaw the bombardment of Fort Sumter, starting the American Civil War.

So the ultimate redneck Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III had two choices. Support Donald J Trump, the ultimate YANKEE or choose the cushy swamp that he's been living in for 20 years. Hmmm, what's a good ole boy of the grand ole party to do????

54 posted on 07/19/2017 7:15:42 PM PDT by Pollard (TRUMP 2016)
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