Posted on 05/19/2017 7:59:58 PM PDT by BJ1
I often encounter “pro-marriage” people while gathering stories for the blog. These pro-marriage people come in two varieties.
On the one end of the spectrum are people like Terrell Clemmons and Jennifer Roback Morse, who understand marriage, but who also understand the social changes that have made marriage unattractive for men. Both Clemmons and Morse have a background in STEM fields, so they are able to understand incentives and tradeoffs. They understand that society has to rollback the changes to education, divorce laws, etc. if they expect men to be interested in marriage again. They understand that men are not just accessories of women, but instead have their own desires, feelings and reasons for marrying.
On the other end of the spectrum are feminist men, who are not able to understand the changing incentives that face men in a world that has evolved under the influence of radical feminism. It is just simpler (less thinking) for these men to accept the radical feminism as a given, and then urge men to “man up”. I think a much better idea would be for the “man up” crowd to realize how marriage has changed, and how the schools and the workplace have changed, then make all of these things more attractive to men. It doesn’t do any good to try to “dare” men into jumping off a cliff. Men aren’t stupid, and they do what is in their own best interests. If the man-up crowd wants younger men to marry, then they need to change the incentives offered to men. And that means changing women first.
(Excerpt) Read more at winteryknight.com ...
The evidence is the opposite. Women are the ones rejecting marriage. And a huge percentage of men out there are barely worth the name. This article is bunk.
“women provide status and companionship. Sex bots are not going to do that.”
Those seeking “status” are fools because it is fore ever fading and just out of reach. Hard to beat a dog for companionship......
Ever hear of the "division of labor?"
Status? Yacht... weekend house in the country... Ferrari.
Companionship? Hunting partners, fishing pals, drinking buddies.
Sex? Sex bots.
Regards,
If you guys are right, and men don’t seek status from women, the culture is going to be transformed more radically than anything else imo.
“My Chinese wife and I have been married 31 years. I gave up on American women in 1984”
Good for you! I’m not far behind too.
All these people flaming American women and our rigged system (with plenty of justification by the way)...yet we quietly go to the ‘old country’ get ourselves wives with ‘old country’ values, and get to enjoy our retirements without being broke and bitter.
Amazing...options are out there for men, but relatively few take them.
A man typically spends a majority of his waking hours either at work, or commuting to/from work. Oh, yes: And then there are the weekends, sitting on the couch, drinking beer, and watching football on t.v. (maybe with his football-watching buddies). If he's more adventurous, maybe he goes, e.g., skydiving with his buddies.
In which of those venues does having a wife confer "status?"
It may have once done so - just like having a "Freiherr von" in front of your name and bearing a conspicuous fencing scar might still confer a certain social status in particular groups even today.
Wearing the "right" fraternity pin, having a "posh" accent, making a casual allusion to having climbed Mt. Everest... they all will confer status in certain very specific situations. (They might also get you laughed at in certain other situations.)
In the 1950s, in the Mid-West U.S., being the only 45-year-old bachelor in your social club might have created a few rumors about your sexuality. (in a best-case scenario, your friends' wives would be pestering you about their maiden aunts still being "available.") Not having served in the armed forces would add to those rumors. Failing to have a perfectly-manicured lawn would have been a cause célèbre".
Another question is: What do I care if some of my neighbors sniff and turn up their noses because I'm unmarried, or hoist an American flag on my property, or have a certain bumper sticker on my car, or where white after Labor Day? What material impact on my life does it have (esp. since many people's social lives play out primarily online nowadays)?
Regards,
Here is an old truism you might come to appreciate:
Men marry women for who they are. Women marry men for who they can be.
Most men just want to be happy for the rest of their lives with the girl they fell in love with.
Women, on the other hand, are schemers. No matter who or what you are (males), they have a plan to “improve” you. Promotions, attitude, social slights and movement up the social ladder...
Well. Can anyone see the pointy objects (including fingernails if nothing else) being prepared?
The sexbots and realdolls are going to become a real alternative for some guys who recognize zero upside being with women. Add in the real advances in artificial womb technology that IS coming and men will have equal reproductive rights to have a family without a woman.
Funny thing is the same technology will be there for the women too as the sexbots and realdolls are also out there for women (although they have had personal “massagers” around forever and no one slights them for that).
Women are so scared of not being needed and put up with, that they are already talking about trying to get the sex dolls banned in certain places. They see that men, who are problem solvers and creators, can do just fine without them and can make an “acceptable” alternative for the brief times they just need to relax, and they don’t like it. Although they have had that freedom ever since their first horseride, dryer ride, vibrator or cucumber.
Which explains their entire strategy against men.
They don’t want men to have the special rights and privileges they have (some are talked about in the article, if you want examples of negative disparity of rights of guys), but they sure do want everything they think men have that they don’t. They can see all the areas where they are not treated equally but when it comes to inverse disparities, they care nothing and are totally blind to them. Hostile at the idea even being stated. They want special treatment. Not equal.
For example. You see a woman whose car is broken down on the side of the road. I drive on by. I have just treated her equally like I would every guy I see whose car is broken down on the side of the road. Everyone has cell phones, they all talk on them WHILE DRIVING. I see them doing so. They can call their insurer, their friends, their parents, their whatever.
But I am sure the women reading this, and a bunch of paternalist guys who read this think that’s harsh to drive past the woman without helping. Why? She’s an equal. I didn’t treat her any different than I would treat a guy, yet somehow this isn’t the “right” thing for these folks, it doesn’t sit well with them.
The girl should get “special” treatment, is what they think. Better treatment than I would give a guy. Even though the only difference is sexual parts and a more emotional hormonal makeup. They want none of the negatives that go along with equals. The secret is they never wanted equality. They want BETTER than equal.
And in so, so many areas they have it. And still keep playing the victim card and getting away with it.
You remind me of my past.
My first wife always wanted to have these serious talks with me. To get me to do x, y and z. I suppose I was a disappointment to her as I didn’t become the man she wanted. All I wanted her to do was make dinner, clean up the house and have enough energy and desire for sex. The things she did at first, sigh.
Looking back, it was like two ships passing in the night.
After she gave me the “I’m not in love with you speech” I went abroad and found a nice Christian woman from a poor country. She doesn’t try to mold me into her idea of what a man should be. She doesn’t try to lead either. Men have allowed western women to become so obnoxious. If men would stop drooling over hot girls maybe things would change. But that doesn’t seem likely in this culture. Not giving a flip would radically change some women’s attitude. Happy wife happy life, I think not.
Lesson I learned is it’s better to tell your wife she should use the door and leave instead of trying to change you. She probably won’t and you can stop being harassed in your own marriage. If she does leave, meh, you aren’t gonna change who are anyways. If you wanted to, you would. You just sped the divorce process along.
Having to compete with women in the labor forces has made me feel more harsh to women. “Strong and independent”, go change your own tire woman.
Talking about the options you mention also extend to women make me think. This thread has many guys, myself included, talking about going overseas for a wife that isn’t imbued with feminism. Funny thing is that women can do the same thing. But when they complain that they can’t find a man, what is stopping them from going abroad? I’ll tell you. They want a man’s resources. What man overseas that is rich enough to afford an American shrew is going to want her back? That leaves poor men. And as the women are not going abroad for husbands, I conclude that contrary to what women say, it is about the money.
The only women who give “status” to men, are women who make the effort to keep themselves attractive, and make an effort to keep their men happy.
Being seen as married to a fat harpy gives a man negative status among his peers.
The Saudis could become the high tech center of the world. All they would have to do is create an enclave where Western tech men are welcomed to immigrate, and which they would guarantee would remain free of feminism. Import some attractive women from the poorer regions of the world, and men would flock there.
There may come a point where Western men embrace Islam, as their only defense against feminism.
Money is part of it. It is the power and security of a man the woman wants because if he does not have this, she has no use for him. Without this he cannot fulfill her goal, which is to be better off than she was before.
Women want men to want them, but not to need them. Once a man needs a woman, she doesnt want him.
Family Guy cartoon had an episode where the husband states he only married her for her looks. She drops her beauty regimen and turns ugly. He cant get past it and blinds himself in order to fall in love with the person. He cant work and explains that she will now be the provider. She whines, i didnt get married to be the provider, i got married to be provided for. She finally saw that her reason was just as shallow as his yet she ripped him up and down the whole episode for his.
They unwittingly accurately described the basic male/female sexual strategies.
No, you dont have to embrace false religion in order to reject feminism and fight against it.
I’ve thought for a while that the sex robot will be the only thing to keep China stable, given the male demographic imbalances caused by many years of the one child policy combined with cultural desires and demands for a male heir.
That is what is said that men want. But not all men really do. And it is not only the woman that sees the other as the meal ticket and refuses to support the family. I feel for all you guys whose marriages broke up from those things but it is not exclusive to females to ditch the spouse emotionally and financially.
You are about half right.
Women ARE rejecting marriage, mostly because they have turned to the Feminist side and believe they are more than the equal of any man, and any man’s job who they are not accepted for is of course due strictly due to the fact that they are women.
Whether or not they can actually do the job is irrelevant. What matters most is that a certain percentage of females are mandated to be in all manner of dangerous jobs, because of course if a man can do it then a female can as well. (/sarc)
Despite what you have just written, you truly have no idea how incredibly spot on your statement(s) reflect(s) real life today.
Special Rights is indeed what they demand, no matter how much they strive to obfuscate the requirement.
Then you know right away I speak truth. I know how women think, and I know how men think.
(Military experience aside, of course. :) )
You still need to watch out for any foreign bride becoming americanized, as so many do. Your best chance for that is to choose to live in some area other than the urban environments where the Liberal Lesbians tend to prowl. Hate to say it, but the deeper into any city you live, the quicker your Significant Other will become radicalized no matter what her past and begin demanding what every other american female does without let or fail.
Keep her away from the mainstream liberal loonies as much as possible and you may have a chance.
Good luck.
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