Posted on 04/01/2017 4:27:35 PM PDT by Trump20162020
This seems to be a perennial argument in the food service industry but it never fails to attract my interest. The Washington Post picked up the story of an an upscale Italian restaurant in North Carolina called Caruso’s. They had run into a number of issues with parents bringing young and too often horribly behaved children into the eatery for dinner who then wound up annoying the rest of the clientele. As they tell the story, the straw which broke the camel’s back was a young girl with an i-Pad who was playing videos at full volume despite being asked to turn it down (or off) and the parents were completely failing to discipline her or resolve the situation. Shortly after that they imposed a ban on bringing children under the age of five into the establishment.
The typical howls of outrage from some parents began immediately, but there was another reaction as well.
The ban — conceived by the restaurant’s owner, Pasquale Caruso — has led to a dramatic increase in reservations, said Nunez, who said Caruso’s has seen a spike in diners, from about 50 per day to around 80.
“Banning children has always been a topic in the industry and every owner says, ‘I wish I could do it,’” he said. “Our owner has the full support of the staff. We work here to make a living, too, and we support our owner 100 percent.”
Good for them. Too often you see only one side of this debate in the press and it centers on the parents who are complaining and saying that families are being stigmatized or punished or what have you.
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Instead of going out, maybe they should spend some quality time at home with their kids.
My parents took us to nice restaurants, but we were not allowed to act up. It can be done, but I see people who are just so self absorbed they don't think about anyone else.
We rarely go out, my husband is hard of hearing and it's just not enjoyable anymore. With or without little ones.
Correct.
And it is not the village’s responsibility to raise a village idiots kid,
>>In life we have room for all kinds of restaurants and I’m sure you can find ones where kids are discouraged <<
I thought the point of this article was whether it is OK to have adult-only restaurants.
No one has said there are no well-behaved kids. The overall opinions have been there are not VERY MANY of them, thus leading to the need for adult-only restaurants.
We should also allow adult-only resorts for even stronger reasons.
Restaurants are so loud too, which makes it worse if you are hard of hearing. And some parents are self absorbed I completely agree. Some people get drunk and laugh & talk decibels above what is comfortable.
I think it is the behavior that is objectionable not the age. But I wouldn’t want to go anywhere we were unwelcome. Restaurants can chose dress code, age code etc. with no complaint from me. Just as I think bakers & caterers should be comfortable with the events they are working for/at not compelled. I had no trouble finding upscale places and if some few were unavailable for our family it was not a problem to me. I really can’t think of anywhere I wanted to go (after checking the menu) that we weren’t welcome.
I absolutely agree.
Now what do the restaurants do about people bringing in pigs that are certified “service animals”?
I believe in all kinds of discrimination.
Amazing number of child-haters on FR. I hate child-haters.
If I had been sitting behind the family I would have taken the tablet.
You hit the nail on the head. Behavior! Have a plan. Toys, coloring, snacks, even!
For the record I would not go to or not go to a restaurant based on whether children are allowed in or not. But we probably would not return if we had a bad experience.
These really stupid activists and the legislators they influence have taken the control of obsessively defiant children away from the parent by threatening to jail them if they use physical means or verbal "abuse" to cause defiance to cease.
That would have been discrimination. And that would have resulted in a major lawsuit, boycotts and your reputation being smeared around the world. If you are unlucky it could result in your business being vandalized and your family threatened.
You used to be able to refuse service to anyone you pleased, then you could refuse service to people who were disruptive, now you can either ban entire classes of people (such as children or people who can not pay) or you have to serve everybody.
No discrimination allowed. No being allowed to say "well behaved children and adults welcome. The rest, stay out!"
I have seen period Remington cartridges marked .45 L.C. and also .45 L.C. gov't., and also army quartermaster's ordnance orders specifying .45 Long Colt.
There was a reason for specifying the ".45 Long Colt" on the military stocking orders as the US Army had standardized on the shorter .45 S&W round which fit the more plentiful S&W .45 Schofield, that would also chamber and shoot just fine, if not as powerfully as the Colt round, in the .45 Colt. However, some officers had preference for the longer, more powerful, with a heavier bullet, .45 Colt round and ordered their quartermasters to make sure they had sufficient supplies for their use. Hence the use of the insistence on the order that it be filled with ".45 Long Colt," so the warehouse not fill it with the shorter .45 government round.
Remington in the 1884 through 1893 most likely marked some runs of cartridge cases and boxes to satisfy the government market for this quartermaster supply chain.
Later, after the intro of the .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol), civilians found they needed to specify a difference to hardware store clerks when they asked for .45 Ammo. . . and it was natural to say, "Give me a box of .45 Long Colt" rather than argue about the difference between .45 ACP pistol ammo and .45 Colt revolver ammo with a clerk who often might not know the difference, so the ".45 Long Colt" slipped into the parlance of the language of SAA shooters and handed down from father to son to grandson.
What’s the problem—are the kids distracting the derelicts from watching their porn?
I’d rather put up with children who might inadvertently become interested in reading than the scum that regularly infest that once-sacrosanct space. Of course, given the smut peddled by our “professional” ALA librarians, it’s probably best to keep children away. My childhood librarian, Mrs. Griffith, would roll over in her grave if she saw the state of affairs today!
As for the rest of you, shame on you! The lack of manners is hardly defined by age. I see more rude adults these days than children. My children, numbering in the double digits, were so well-behaved in restaurants that strangers occasionally paid for our meals!
Agree 100%.
When our kids were small, we would often receive compliments from restaurant staff and patrons, alike, on how pleasantly surprised they were by our kids’ behavior.
Same with flying. Nearby passengers were very complimentary, when we were deplaning.
“Could have addressed problem by throwing out the offending parents/child.”
Probably a protected class due to having two fathers.
The time for corporal discipline is when children are quite young. A single spanking establishes that there are consequences for disobedience. That is enough for many kids. They have to know that you mean what you say and that you are in charge. That allows you to keep them safe.
If you make the point when they are 3 or 4 you can be really minimal, one swat. Depends on the kid but if you leave it too long to set the ground rules it is much more difficult and it’s no favor to the kid. They need to understand your expectations. The better your discipline the more freedom you can allow them because they will moderate their behavior right away when spoken to.
Nope. Laissez-faire (or worse) parent -haters --and rightly so.
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But, if you think this is bad, wait until the crurent crop of "snowflakes" has kids...
How sad. I used to take my children from infancy to modestly priced restaurants at least once a week for dessert if we couldn’t afford dinner. They learned manners by observation. I still remember my 18 to 36-month-old children looking with horror and disdain at screaming, rude children.
With my youngest, I was not able to do that. After getting divorced, I made it a point to go to Denny’s at least once a week after normal dinner hour. I couldn’t afford much food, but in order to correct the manners of my horror of a child, I left very generous tips. . .sometimes more than the bill.
After a few months of being chastised, he learned manners in public. Once, he literally ran all around the restaurant and through the kitchen. He put the Three Stooges to shame! Our regular waitress was probably a little disappointed when I was finally able to spend more on food than the tip.
But she was always happy to see us and to help educate my outrageous child.
He eventually got his first job working at McDonalds. He greated every customer with a smile and a hearty “Welcome to McDonalds”. Once a customer entered the restaurant and asked, “Where’s the happy guy?”.
He was told my son was working the drive-thru. He promptly turned around, got in his car and went to the drive up window just to have a server who was happy to see him.
When I did take them to high-end restaurants, their manners and behavior were impeccable. . .and still are. I am so grateful to the servers at the low-end restaurants who helped educate my beloved children and did it so graciously!
Of course the restaurant owner should set their own rules and guidelines from dress code, to behavior, to smoking policy .... always.
We took our young daughter to every kind of restaurant from very young and never had a problem. But I’ve seen some very bad behavior from kids ... and not just in restaurants.
Once at a bookstore there was a kid overturning displays ripping up the books!
The mother was right there and said nothing. When a store employee came over she walked out with the kid ... didn’t offer to help pick up anything or pay for the destroyed books. People were just flabbergasted.
I’ve seen this kind of behavior at all kinds of stores and restaurants. This spoils things for people with well behaved kids.
I found myself in charge of a 3 year old little Vietnamese new arrival who had no English. She was living with her 70 year old father who could not deal with her and kind of delegated it to me. I took Minh Chau and her father out to an Oriental take-out that has a few tables several times. Chau never made noise, being Vietnamese raised to that point, but did some other other things like industriously tearing a napkin into tiny bits which fluttered to the floor. I caught her eye and said in Viet,” Not good,” quietly. She returned my gaze for a few seconds then went back to eating. She never shredded a napkin again. We repeated the process with other social errors over several visits to the eatery and then Minh Chau was ready to go to any fine restaurant. I tried the same technique with my own grandkids. Didn’t accomplish anything at all.
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