Maybe this will calm some tensions? I hope so at least; I don't like the mood of FR lately.
They shouldn’t feel betrayed.
you campaign on repealing O-Care on the first day in 2016. real world: you should put Mo Brooks one sentence bill up for a vote TO REPEAL OBOZO CARE
blah, blah, blah...
bullcrap !
Pres. Trump’s tweet connected the Freedom Caucus with the RATS.
Houdini out of that.
Keep going down that path and put the House and\or Senate in jeopardy in 2018.
I don’t know what game President Trump is playing, but it is a dangerous one.
I worked hard to be rid of the weasel Eric Cantor and to stop the plan to pass Rubio’s amnesty in June of 2014.
They had planned to pass it the day after the primary when we Cantorized our weasel to get the issue off the table to clear the way for Yeb!
If we had not done that, there would be no President Trump.
Anyone threatening to primary Dave Brat becomes my political opponent by their own choosing.
You’ve over analyzed this. Too much blah, blah, blahhhh. I can explain this in 5 simple words.
Trump is not a conservative.
This is all anyone needs to know in understanding why Trump continually targets conservatives as the enemy.
In fact, it was Trump who was betrayed. Freedom Caucus got what they wanted and an open invitation to pretty much come back and discuss and negotiate for whatever they wanted. Instead, they double crossed the President at the last minute on "purity grounds" that they themselves didn't even advance in direct negotiations with the President, thus basically saying that their votes were secured.
The "Freedom Caucus" basically operated as bad faith negotiators, and it is clear from their conduct that their real intention all along was to make sure the bill fails just to hurt the President. Most of these TruCon types are pathological, run by big donors, and have fantasies about running for President in 2020.
Says who? Changed goalposts? Ryan's bill was kept secret for weeks. Moreover, what is negotiation except changing demands?
My take is that Trump is simply trying to position himself in the middle as a PR move.
Schumer keeps publicly lambasting him that he campaigned as a populist but his agenda is far right.
Apparently Trump and the Freedom Caucus are getting along fine behind the scenes.
Also, I take it the Trump team has concluded that Ryan is there to stay. So they have to work with him, even if it means Ryan and the Chamber of Commerce are going to fight him every inch of the way on the wall, restricting immigration, amnesty, H1bs, tariffs, etc. and trying to get tax reduction from Trump quickly without having to give in on other issues.
Ryan winning reelection easily in the last election will prove a costly hit to the interests of the American people.
Helpful.
For me the question is whether the Leadership started the ‘nasty’ by excluding Freedom Caucus from writing the bill.
Or whether the Freedom Caucus started the ‘nasty’ by refusing to participate in it’s writing.
Whichever it is should change.
I fully expect the game, but DJT presuming to tell we voters who we will or won’t turn out of their seats on his demand over OUR healthcare system is a bit, well, presumptuous.
Not a good demonstration of empathy for those of us crying for representation.
I don’t like the mood of FR lately.
Me too.
The left never gets critical on itself.
So they beat up Trump and many on our side now too.
I am not saying accept everything that Trump does but for now show support. This is critical time.
Oh worse than when Reagan was in office.
Ryan & Prebuis are responsible for the debacle in the healthcare bill!
Know why it was pulled? Had more moderate Republicans line up to vote against it! Ryan & Prebuis really didn’t do their jobs!!!! Huge fail.
And it only stopped PP funding for ONE year!! Read page 23 of CBO report! What a disaster!
Not Freedom Caucus fault - they ride the pulse of the American people.
You got half of people happy Ryancare failed and the other half upset at the failure.
And then there is me.
Here’s some game theory. I was promised a 1000 times, right off the bat “repeal and replace”. I was never promised a teeny adjustment to Obamacare to start, and two more phases later in the term, which I know would never happen.
If they don’t have the balls to do it now, im supposed to believe they will as we approach midterms?
LOL
I wish someone would at least take the time to understand the history of the base of the republican party. When you go to far away from the constitution or moral issues conservatives stay home. All you are doing is saying Conservatives are no longer welcome in the republican/uni-party crowd.
This is what I expected from Trump anyway in the beginning, guess I should not be disappointed. Thoroughly disgusted though.
That was fascinating. People pay good money for tutorials of this caliber. Thank you so much for taking the time to boil all that down. It makes perfect sense out of the heretofore incomprehensible. I wish I could give you a hundred up-votes; even that would not be enough.
+1
It’s a round about way of saying that Trump is very consistent in dealing with people: friends are praised, enemies are mercilessly attacked. As long as he’s consistent and he is, then everyone can accurately predict the consequences of their actions and over the long run, it’s good for him.
But in this particular case, it’s really all about Ryan. Trump either played this out in public in order to give Ryan the rope with which to hang himself, or he foolishly put his faith in Ryan, and got burned for it. But Ryan was never supposed to lead the newly elected President into a public legislative defeat. It doesn’t really matter what was going on with the Freedom Caucus, or any other faction of Republicans, that all should’ve been worked out by Ryan behind closed doors weeks and months ago.
Politics is big money for the Democrats.
They will even come on Free Republic to stir things up.
This is a very sensitive subject.
I think that we need to let this thing play out.
But there are people who have had enormous increases in the cost of their health insurance and they would like to see their rates reduced yesterday.
It is going to be extremely hard to fix this until at least 60% of our citizens can deal with reality.
The reality is that there is no such thing as “free” health care.
Until 60% or more of our citizens believe that, we are going to have problems.
Maybe we should all go smoke some weed and chill out.
Now, we as outsiders are free to assign the labels as we chose, but those on the inside will play according to THEIR perception, and in the real world, will take every advantage their strength allows them to take. The players are not equals in dealing.
As far as "calming tensions" goes, learn to love the tension. Tension, stress and failure are good things in the long run - see game theory.
What President Trump was saying to the ‘freedom caucus’ was this, for those of you that can’t understand ‘legal speak’:
“Get off your butts and do your jobs and we will get along fine...don’t and I will do it for you!”...