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To: Luircin

You’ve over analyzed this. Too much blah, blah, blahhhh. I can explain this in 5 simple words.

Trump is not a conservative.

This is all anyone needs to know in understanding why Trump continually targets conservatives as the enemy.


6 posted on 03/30/2017 1:18:40 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd
This is all anyone needs to know in understanding why Trump continually targets conservatives as the enemy.

But most "conservatives" ARE the enemy. They want Trump to fail for purely phallic-victory reasons, plus many of them, especially the professional ones, want amnesty, "free trade," and even Obamacare, because they make more money and function better as an opposition party. I realized this when I learned that the Freedom Caucus had basically gotten everything they demanded from Trump, but then at the last minute they sabotaged the vote in a way that could only have one intention: embarrassing the President and making the vote fail. Otherwise, why didn't they go back and demand more stuff during the negotiations? Why did they lead the President to believe their votes were secure? They didn't know what was in the bill until the day before the vote? I don't think so. And even then, why not go directly to the President, which they had an open invitation for, and sort it out?

Ideological Conservatism IS the enemy because, at the end of the day, it is not what any of us were told it is. Most of us are natural "conservatives" in a purely patriotic sense. We have a lot of this ideology integrated into us for purely tribalistic reasons. But the people moving and shaking the conservative movement are not nationalists of any sort. They believe in an utopian economic religion that can only work and function as an opposition party, or a party that has, at best, one or two issues, and none of those issues involve anything America is actually suffering from. Just look at Ted Cruz defending Chinese manufacturing on the debate stage. These people are tone death.

If "conservatism" is to survive, it is going to need a significant overhaul, and it must be substantially nationalistic and guided by common sense. The neurotic people posing as our thought-leaders and politicians are out there right now adopting babies from the third world and learning to speak Chinese.

18 posted on 03/30/2017 1:27:29 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Trump is not a conservative.


Never was. He beat the moderates and the conservatives in the primary. He is a populist type who does the will of the people. The people want jobs back, out of foreign entanglements and rebuild America instead of the world.


27 posted on 03/30/2017 1:31:00 PM PDT by ex-snook (The one true God sent Jesus here to show us the way.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Trump is not a conservative.

Nor is he a Republican, IMO. DJT is a 3rd party candidate who used the Republican Party as a vehicle for election. Not at all sure how all this will turn out but it's safe to say that the Rs will never again be the same and I'm OK with that.

38 posted on 03/30/2017 1:36:45 PM PDT by JonPreston
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To: Responsibility2nd

Trump is not a conservative.

This is all anyone needs to know in understanding why Trump continually targets conservatives as the enemy.

Good. They should be targeted.

They've proven themselves to be the enemies of America and Western Civilization itself. But so are the "moderates" but that's another discussion.

Conservatives cave and placate the Left at every opportunity.

They betray America every single time.

They stab you in the back every single time.

They haven't won a major fight with the Left in over 50 years.

Conservatives have been unmasked for the traitors and scoundrels that they are.

Just look to the recent legislation in North Carolina to make nice with the transvestites for the sake of a basketball game.

67 posted on 03/30/2017 2:30:36 PM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Responsibility2nd

I would argue that Trump is very conservative; all you need to do is look at his executive actions without Congress to see that.

My argument is that in order to achieve his goals, this is the tactic that he is using.

My argument is also that the HFC may or may not have the same goals as Trump, but that their tactics to achieve those goals are fundamentally different than Trump’s tactics.

And by looking at game theory and the strategy known as Tough but Fair, we can understand why Trump is going after the HFC in this manner while still being conservative.

Do you care to engage, or are you going to stick to your I-hate-Trump meme?


71 posted on 03/30/2017 2:38:58 PM PDT by Luircin (Dancing in the streets! Time to DRAIN THE SWAMP!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Trump is a patriotic American and no hes not what we would call social conservative. His goals include getting reelected in 2020 where he can be much more aggressive on his goals.

That said the position of the HFC is hard line repeal only. I agree with that but we all know that will fail in DC if not right away then when the DIMS steal their next presidency. That or a court will strike it down.

Trump needs DIM voters for 20 and is actively courting them, see the Flint MI money for example... he has to handle the set ups to impeach him and sabotage him in the meantime. Hence why hes not telling the Judges to go to hell. Also why the push to “Replace” not just repeal.

So do I expect him to be social conservative? Nope not during the first term at least. Hes trying to goad the HFC to the table and hopefully put pressure on the Rino crowd to make the HFC happy enough to sign on.

I would not be surprised if this dance goes on at least 4 times.


88 posted on 03/30/2017 3:11:46 PM PDT by Mechanicos
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Trump is not a conservative.

Neither is Ryan, who was installed by the Freedom Caucus as Speaker.


105 posted on 03/30/2017 4:54:32 PM PDT by odawg
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