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Questions Surround Shooting of (86 Year Old)Retired Navy Veteran in His Own Home
NBC Bay Area ^ | 2/24 | Stephen Stock, Michael Bott, Michael Horn and Rachel Witte

Posted on 02/24/2017 9:06:21 AM PST by nickcarraway

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To: Flick Lives

I guess they know whether he’s well or not now.


21 posted on 02/24/2017 9:54:59 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: fruser1

that would end badly as well. the sound of someone messing with the door lock would likely have resulted in a .38 response through the door.


22 posted on 02/24/2017 9:55:39 AM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: nickcarraway
After a long siege of this crap a few years ago, I thought this stuff and gone away. These cops shot somebody strictly for the experience of it. Departments used to train cops to do this to inure them to shooting citizens for when the crisis comes but the publicity got so bad that , it seemed at least, that training was deleted. Maybe not everywhere.
, Back when this stuff was SOP police practice, I determined that I would never call the police in any situation. I still feel that way. Wife swore not to call police before that when she had called for intervention for a couple of kids in an unorthodox home situation who were getting abused pretty badly. Family Services came and got the kids and put them in a worse foster situation that eventually killed one of them.
23 posted on 02/24/2017 10:12:01 AM PST by arthurus
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To: nickcarraway
I notice something seems to have gotten lost in the store and that is who the heck called for a "welfare check"?

The couple had been out that night so it was not as if they had not been seen for a week or two.

It is very odd.

24 posted on 02/24/2017 10:12:58 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not a Romantic, not a hero worshiper and stop trying to tug my heartstrings. It tickles! (pink bow))
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To: arthurus
-- Back when this stuff was SOP police practice, I determined that I would never call the police in any situation. I still feel that way. --

Yeah, but somebody else called this one in. How do you keep your neighbors or enemies from calling in a wellness check for you? It's impossible.

25 posted on 02/24/2017 10:24:06 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: fruser1

I’ve heard of these things called lockpicks...

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Those require a certain amount of finesse and skill to operate.
Boots and guns do not.


26 posted on 02/24/2017 10:38:02 AM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: doorgunner69

Many of these elderly veterans are EXTREMELY DEAF! My dad
was a combat veteran of WWII. When he came home from the
war; he was very deaf. It got worse over the years. If you
go through the firefights & the sky being black with planes
flying overhead in a thundering roar, you’ll be deaf, too.

My dad was almost paranoid about someone breaking in on him
& he had a Smith & Wesson revolver for which he poured his
own bullets. . one at a time at the kitchen table.


27 posted on 02/24/2017 10:43:41 AM PST by Twinkie (The MSM is DEAD. - John 3:16)
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To: CaptainKip
I’m am generally a LEO supporter

I am as well. I agree this is over the top, and I cannot see any justification for what transpired here.

28 posted on 02/24/2017 10:48:13 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Cboldt

I won’t call on my neighbors. I can’t control what my neighbors do to each other or to me. If my door gets kicked in either an intruder will be shot or I will be shot by police.


29 posted on 02/24/2017 10:58:38 AM PST by arthurus
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To: arthurus
-- I won't call on my neighbors. --

"It depends," although I am strongly biased to do not call, and won't speculate (much) on what it would take to get me to call. Maybe if they had a running gun battle going on.

Sheriff came to my door at 2 am once. Turned out my phone was calling 911, on its own. Did it twice that day. Cops didn't bust down the door either time.

30 posted on 02/24/2017 11:17:43 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: gaijin

“but when dogs or veterans get the same treatment I don’t support the pigs.”

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All dogs?

All veterans?

They both have not-so-nice representatives——as do cops.

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31 posted on 02/24/2017 11:23:54 AM PST by Mears
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To: nickcarraway

Under no circumstances what-so-ever should a person in their own home, who is not even suspected of a crime be shot by police. If these officers failed to follow procedure they should be fired and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If they did follow procedures then the police chief and whoever else was responsible for the procedures should be fired and the procedures rewritten.

Someone is responsible for this man dying in what should be the safety of his own home and there must be severe consequences.


32 posted on 02/24/2017 11:40:44 AM PST by Flying Circus (God help us)
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To: nickcarraway

We used to call this a :
HOME INVASION ROBBERY and FIRST DEGREE MURDER, With Special Circumstances of Using a Firearm during the Commission of a Violent Felony.

THEY ALL DESERVE LIFE IN PRISON!


33 posted on 02/24/2017 12:33:37 PM PST by eyeamok (destruction of government records.)
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To: eyeamok

We used to call this a :
HOME INVASION ROBBERY and FIRST DEGREE MURDER, With Special Circumstances of Using a Firearm during the Commission of a Violent Felony.

THEY ALL DESERVE LIFE IN PRISON!

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While I couldn’t agree more with you about the wrongness of what happened, all the cops who participated must share some of the guilt, but, there was only one cop who shot his gun at the guy apparently.

He should have to go to prison for a long time, what he did was evil and there was no excuse for it. I feel sorry for the stupid cop but examples need to be set or others will do the same thing.

I agree that if there was no written policy on how to handle the situation then the chief should suffer severe punishment along with the city that hired him.

This should never happen in America. The man was a war hero who was treated like a low down common criminal, actually worse. Criminals get to go in and out of prison this guy is dead and his poor wife a widow.

I fear what will happen instead is that since the old man had a gun the cop will get off with NO PUNISHMENT. Mind you guns are legal. He probably had a newspaper and a church baptism certificate too. He has just as much right to have the gun as the newspaper and baptism certificate. Someone needs to pay!


34 posted on 02/24/2017 1:08:27 PM PST by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig

I understand, but under the FELONY MURDER RULE in California,
EVERY LAST PERSON INVOLVED is Just as Guilty of FIRST DEGREE MURDER, from the Dispatcher to the Chief. Now it might be a stretch to include those 2, but THE LAW does not make that distinction, it clearly states “ALL PARTIES” which would include EVERY PERSON that had any involvement of ANY KIND, regardless of how minor or incidental.


35 posted on 02/24/2017 1:12:14 PM PST by eyeamok (destruction of government records.)
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To: TADSLOS; Alaska Wolf; DCBryan1; Slings and Arrows; Doomonyou; napscoordinator; Shimmer1; ...
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Shoot the old geezer just like we trained you to!

36 posted on 02/24/2017 8:34:11 PM PST by null and void (Drain the swamp!)
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To: JAKraig
While I couldn’t agree more with you about the wrongness of what happened, all the cops who participated must share some of the guilt, but, there was only one cop who shot his gun at the guy apparently.

If your neighbor asks you to drive him to the store and he just happens to shoot and kill the clerk, the State will arrest YOU and try YOU for first degree murder with special circumstance, the use of a gun in the commission of a crime.

For those of you in Rio Linda "special circumstance" means you are quite eligible for the death penalty.

The State doesn't care that you had no foreknowledge, and odds are good this isn't the trigger happy cop's first excessive use of force rodeo, and equally good his colleagues thin blue line covered for him (read that as 'they flat-out lied').

When good cops shield bad cops they become bad cops themselves, sooner or later.

37 posted on 02/24/2017 8:44:16 PM PST by null and void (Drain the swamp!)
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To: lee martell
When the Officer broke his way into the house through a side door, and saw the Homeowner standing there with a gun

Lesson: do not just stand there, it ain't the OK Corral.

Take some cover and/or concealment and choose your shot. I practice head shots, bad guys and rogue cops wear chest body armor.

They may get me, but I will not leave alone.

38 posted on 02/24/2017 9:44:57 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Mears

Veterans and dogs do not get the cover of “authority” as cops do, or the unions and thin blue line lying and covering for them.


39 posted on 02/24/2017 9:50:09 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: nickcarraway
The police just can't kick doors, come into the house and start shooting.”
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They did it. The police can't prevent Trump supporters from getting the hell beaten out of them in plain view. They can't prevent people attending a lecture at Berkley in plain view from getting the hell beaten out of them. However, when it comes to shooting 86 year old men in their own homes, they are johnnie on the spot and are hell on wheels.

40 posted on 02/25/2017 6:41:03 AM PST by sport
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