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Richard Muller on why the flow of time is not an illusion
Physics Today ^ | 10 Feb, 2017 | Melinda Baldwin

Posted on 02/11/2017 7:10:41 AM PST by MtnClimber

The physicist and author argues that cosmologists should take the concept of time more seriously and talks about becoming a “converted skeptic” on climate change.

....MULLER: The flow of time does not exist in the usual spacetime diagram of physics. Time is mysterious; in any relativistic coordinate system, it is linked to space. And yet time is different—and I mean much more than simply a sign in the metric. Time flows. Choose any coordinate system and you can stand still in space but not in time. That different behavior breaks the otherwise glorious spacetime symmetry. Moreover, there is a special moment in time we call “now.” No such special location exists in the dimensions of space.

Einstein considered his inability to account for the flow of time and the meaning of “now” as a failure. Some modern theorists aren’t up to his standard; they think that anything they can’t explain with their current theories must be dismissed as illusionary.

(Excerpt) Read more at physicstoday.scitation.org ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: fakescience; physics; relativity; space; time
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To: ETL

Assuming you’re incorporeal, your location at any given time is quite absolute, to you. You have no choice in that coordinate system.


41 posted on 02/11/2017 9:23:57 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: ETL

Assuming you’re not incorporeal, correction.


42 posted on 02/11/2017 9:25:05 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
Assuming you’re not incorporeal, your location at any given time is quite absolute, to you. You have no choice in that coordinate system.

What "coordinate system"? There are a near infinite number of them.

(incorporeal: not composed of matter; having no material existence)

43 posted on 02/11/2017 9:30:07 AM PST by ETL (Trump admin apparently playing "good cop, bad cop" with thug Putin (see my FR Home page))
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To: RegulatorCountry

Moreover, there is a special moment in time we call “now.” No such special location exists in the dimensions of space.

Uh, how about “here?”

LMAO!


44 posted on 02/11/2017 9:31:04 AM PST by apostoli ("When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination." - Sowel)
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To: ETL

Your personal coordinate system can be none other than self-centered. At base, you have no other perspective and no choice in the matter, so long as you inhabit matter. Here is where self is at any given now.


45 posted on 02/11/2017 9:34:09 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

That’s exactly what I thought.


46 posted on 02/11/2017 9:37:22 AM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: RegulatorCountry

I would also think, contrary to Baldwin’s comments, that you can’t stand still in space due to the expansion of the universe.


47 posted on 02/11/2017 9:41:09 AM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: reasonisfaith
I would also think, contrary to Baldwin’s comments, that you can’t stand still in space due to the expansion of the universe.

It was oddly geocentric thing to say, wasn't it?

48 posted on 02/11/2017 9:43:00 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: reasonisfaith

I mean Muller.


49 posted on 02/11/2017 9:45:55 AM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: MtnClimber

The real purpose of this article is to convey the message quoted below. I believe this is why they don’t seem to be thinking carefully about space and time.

“We came up with a solid analysis of each of the biases and were able to conclude, using our independent work, that global warming was real and caused by humans.”


50 posted on 02/11/2017 9:49:19 AM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: IronJack

Does anybody really know what time it is?

Does anybody really care?

(Except maybe the pretty lady that asked me what time was on my watch).


51 posted on 02/11/2017 9:49:44 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: RegulatorCountry

I think they have a very different underlying agenda, as stated in post # 50.

The formula goes like this: talk about physics, sound authoritative (which didn’t work here), then let loose with the propaganda.


52 posted on 02/11/2017 9:53:35 AM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: MtnClimber

Here’s where the guy makes the move to establish his credibility:

“Einstein considered his inability to account for the flow of time and the meaning of “now” as a failure. Some modern theorists aren’t up to his standard...”


53 posted on 02/11/2017 9:57:02 AM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: reasonisfaith

The article’s entire message can be summarized as follows:

“Think of me as Albert Einstein. Global Warming is real and caused by humans.”


54 posted on 02/11/2017 9:58:12 AM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: RegulatorCountry

Your personal coordinate system?

All that can do is describe where various parts of you are located on your body. (0,0) can be your belly button. :)


55 posted on 02/11/2017 10:29:31 AM PST by ETL (Trump admin apparently playing "good cop, bad cop" with thug Putin (see my FR Home page))
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To: ETL

But that example deals entirely with SPACE, not time.


56 posted on 02/11/2017 10:30:39 AM PST by IronJack
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To: dhs12345

Velocity is DEPENDENT on time. So I suppose in the sense that velocity represents distance over time, and distance is space, then the two can be considered related. But how does one define time in terms of distance/space?


57 posted on 02/11/2017 10:33:12 AM PST by IronJack
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To: MtnClimber

timetraveler


58 posted on 02/11/2017 10:39:51 AM PST by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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59 posted on 02/11/2017 10:46:36 AM PST by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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To: IronJack
Chicken and the egg?

Lambda (Einsteins famous relationship for a mass at rest vs at a speed v) doesn't have time in it — only C (speed of light) and v (current speed).

This relationship can be used to determine time dilation and mass dilation.

Of course, velocity is distance vs time so time is implicitly defined in the equation.

60 posted on 02/11/2017 10:51:42 AM PST by dhs12345
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