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Scholars team up to dispel 400-year-old myths, assumptions about US
Stripes ^ | 25 December 2016 | WILLIAM J. KOLE

Posted on 12/26/2016 11:31:54 AM PST by Lorianne

As the U.S. gears up to mark the 400th anniversary of its roots as a nation, leading scholars from around the globe are teaming up to dispel myths and challenge long-held assumptions about how the country was settled.

Their group, New England Beginnings, is using phone apps and searchable online archives to help set the record straight about the early 1600s — and fill in some important knowledge gaps.

"All many people know is that the Pilgrims landed in Plymouth in 1620, Boston was started in 1630, and then in 1776 we had a revolution," said Rose Doherty, president of the Partnership of Historic Bostons, a group devoted to the 17th-century history of the city and the much-older Boston in Lincolnshire on the east coast of England.

Doherty's organization is among 19 prominent groups that comprise New England Beginnings. Others include the American Antiquarian Society, the General Society of Mayflower Descendants, the New England Historic Genealogical Society, Rhode Island's Tomaquag Museum, Britain's History of Independence Project and the Leiden American Pilgrim Museum in the Netherlands.

Together, they see an opening as the U.S. prepares in 2020 to mark the 400th anniversary of the Pilgrims' arrival in 1620.

"There's a lot of attention being paid right now to how you distinguish between real news and fake news. But this is something historians grapple with all the time," said Francis Bremer, a professor emeritus of history at Pennsylvania's Millersville University and the coordinator of New England Beginnings.

A key focus, Bremer said, is presenting a much more complete and accurate picture of how the early settlers interacted with Native Americans.

Underscoring the gulf between how natives and white Americans see history, on every Thanksgiving since 1970, members of New England tribes have gathered in downtown Plymouth for a solemn National Day of Mourning observance that recalls the disease, racism and oppression the settlers brought.

"It's an important part of the story that's really taken a back seat for a long time. You just can't bury history," said Paula Peters, a writer and activist and a member of Massachusetts' Wampanoag tribe. "People don't know how quickly it became repressive for the Wampanoags. Ship after ship after ship arrived, and they came with laws and deeds. You really have to put yourself in the moccasins of the people who were enduring that."

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To: Vermont Lt

Then that disease came with the Spanish...


41 posted on 12/26/2016 3:02:50 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Bratch

One man’s fish is another man’s poisson.


42 posted on 12/26/2016 3:22:09 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Lorianne

“on every Thanksgiving since 1970, members of New England tribes have gathered in downtown Plymouth for a solemn National Day of Mourning observance that recalls the disease, racism and oppression the settlers brought. “

As opposed to the disease, racism, and oppression the natives had going on before we got here??

Wanna know why there aren’t that many natives? They killed each other off so damned fast. They were ignorant savages and still are.


43 posted on 12/26/2016 3:23:51 PM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Lorianne
Underscoring the gulf between how natives and white Americans see history, on every Thanksgiving since 1970, members of New England tribes have gathered in downtown Plymouth for a solemn National Day of Mourning observance that recalls the disease, racism and oppression the settlers brought.

I doesn't take a "sophisticated" informed adult to see the absurdity of this agenda.

I was initially excited and pleased to see what seemed to be a sober discussion without the rot of political correctness.

Alas, I was wrong. The rot was there, but only in the concluding sentences.

"racism" and "oppression" are the darker angels of humanity, and deliberate;y delivered.
Disease is an uncontrollable and usually an unexpected natural phenomenon. Else millions of normal populations would not have perished under its unexpected arrival and and the fatal results.

Even a bright Jr. Highschooler can see that.

But it seems like even the modern savages lack the brain cells to grasp all of written history.

44 posted on 12/26/2016 3:33:21 PM PST by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: GoldenPup
Lets not forget...THE WINNERS WRITE THE HISTORY!

That makes a mockery of the central subject of the thread.

Better work on reading comprehension and love of history, wherever it leads, Pup.

I can only conclude that reading is NOT your strong suit.

45 posted on 12/26/2016 3:42:00 PM PST by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Let's start with the fake news contained in their name. It began at Jamestown, Virginia over a decade earlier.

As a child, "1607" was engraved indelibly onto my mind, since it was our family address during parochial grammar school, which was a block away, in a former San Francisco, California.

Yes I remember that from learning American History, not later than our fourth grade.

46 posted on 12/26/2016 3:51:01 PM PST by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: The_Media_never_lie; Mark17
Probably there will be no mention of how cruel the native Americans were to other tribes, including scalping prisoners ALIVE, . . .

I believe that if you do a little research, the practice of scalping was taught by the British, as a way to account for rewarding the individual natives for wiping out their joint enemies. But it is true that the practice was readily and widely adopted by the Indians without a qualm, and passed on from tribe to tribe from then on.

Don't ever think of the native "Indians" as "noble savages," as upstanding, righteous followers of the Great Spirit, who ennobles all humans. That is just a fart-dream, my FRiends. Their idea of decency is that of the far greater rotten-souled British Army officers (Col. Joseph Butler et al) and half-white rogues like Joseph Brant who taught tyhem to abandon all thought of tolerance, let alone any thought of the milk of human kindness.

In the little town of Cuylerville, Livingston County, New York State (click here), near the banks of the Genessee River, is a little memorial park named after Lt. Boyd and Sgt. Michael Parker, advance scouts for the Sullivan Campaign through the Finger Lakes region. Boyd and Parker were captured, tortured, their intestines nailed to the torture tree (still standing the last time I was there). and they were whipped to run/crawl around the tree until they reached the end of their entrails.

Four of the eyewitness accounts of the treatment of these American prisoners by the pliable Iroquois under the imaginative needling of their British instigators are as follows (click here):

"Here we find Lieut. Boyd and one of the men laying on the ground just on the edge
of the town, and so inhumanly murdered it is almost too much to describe. Their
heads were cut off and scalpt. They had been whipped horribly. Their bodies speared
all over and Lieut. Boyd partly skinned. Such is the barbarity of these savage villains. "

"This town is situated on the west side of the river, on the most beautiful flat I ever saw,
which town we entered without opposition and found two of our men, taken by the enemy
yesterday, dead. They wre brought to this place, killed and cut to pieces in the most
barbarous and cruel manner that savages were master of."

"When we Entered the Town We found Lt. Boyd & one man Dead and most Horribly
mangled, they were Laying near a tree which we Suposed they were tyed To While they
were massacred as their was Blood & other Signs near the tree; it appeared they first
whipt them and Very Severely, then Cut Out their tongues & Plucked out their Eyes and
nails, then Stabd them With Spears and after Venting all their Hellish Spite Cut off their
Heads and Left them, this was a Horrid Spectacle to Behold Indeed, and from which we
are taught nesesity of fighting those more then devil as Long as we have Life Tather then
to Surender Ourselves prisoners..."

"At this place we found the bodies of Lieut. Boyd and another, (mentioned yesterday) in a
putrified & mangled condition. Lieut. Boyd was found with his head cut off & skinned all
over, his eyes torn out, his nails pulled off, his body bruised & beat all over, & every
other cruelty exercised upon him that malice & savage barbarity could invent, some of
which are too shocking to relate. The greatest part of their cruelties appears to hav been
committed upon him while he was alive, in order to heighten his misery & satisfy their
revenge. Thus died a good citizen, an agreeable friend & a gallant soldier- Inspired with
every Heroe's virtue he fell a victim to their savage barbarity in defence of the injured
rights of mankind."

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FRiends and Brothers, that is us, without the modification to one's soul brought about by belief in the cross-death of Jesus, and faith in Him as the saving and sanctifying Lord and Messiach/Christ of God.

Believe me, the hellish British soldier leaders of the 1700s, inquisition skills forged in the English civil wars of the 1600s and the Spanish Catholics in the 1500s, could give the Mohammedanish ISIS some soul-destroying, conscious-searing tricks on how to really torture someone. Merely scalping or simply beheading? Paghh! Look to the British-prompted New York State Iroquois for some interesting lessons on what Satan and his devils are truly like.

But don't--repeat DON'T--mention to me anything about the wonderfulness and beauty of the dregs of humanity crawling through the forests and fields of America's fruited plains at the moment our Pilgrims and John Smith set foot on the shores of North America. I have no compassion as to their view of who their "Great Spirit" is.

It is Satan, while he is at home and not interfered with.

However, one should not forget the marvelous conversion to Christianity of the Oneida tribe (click here) of the native dwellers, who sacrificially assisted the American frontiersmen in their struggle against the Iroquois. But even then, their identity with the Iroquois pagans caused the settlers to lump them all together.

Today there are still missionary efforts playing out in the New York State reservations. Pray for them. My grandfather lived in Salamanca, in Cattaraugus County, on the Allegany Indian Reservation under the Seneca Nation. Pray for the little Assembly of Christians meeting at Red House, on the reservation. So much for now . . .

47 posted on 12/26/2016 3:59:43 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Probably...


48 posted on 12/26/2016 4:16:38 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Brace. Brace. Brace. Heads down. Do not look up.)
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To: Lorianne
Lorianne, you are on an amazing roll lately. What an amazing thread. Thank you a thousand times!

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Best regards and Happy New Year!

49 posted on 12/26/2016 4:22:18 PM PST by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: Just a little eagle
I’m tired of the meme from the left that white people stole the land from the Indians.


From which tribe? Strong tribes 'stole' land, ponies and whatever from weaker tribes all the time.
50 posted on 12/26/2016 5:01:12 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie ( Agenda driven news is fake news.)
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To: Lorianne
A very good read, which I consider authoritative, is Murray Rothbard's excellent 4 volume set, Conceived in Liberty. The amount of detail is astounding, and of course it's highly readable.

I suggest it to everyone.

God, how I love those books!

CA....

51 posted on 12/26/2016 6:41:57 PM PST by Chances Are (Seems I've found that silly grin again....)
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To: publius911
in a former San Francisco, California.

I hear stories from the California that was, and wish I'd been around to experience it. What California's become is such an abject shame. How we ever slept through allowing it to be taken over as it has is a mystery for the ages.

52 posted on 12/27/2016 5:05:02 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: loveliberty2

Thank you for this. I just read the first chapter, and it is extraordinary!


53 posted on 12/27/2016 5:46:52 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Lorianne

——of how the early settlers interacted with Native Americans.——

The weaker society was conquered and abolished by the stronger society

This position was maintained until the invention of casinos


54 posted on 12/27/2016 5:51:19 AM PST by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... Macroagression melts snowflakes)
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To: Lorianne

The Bible gives us the truth of the unredeemed human heart:

The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. Genesis 6:5


55 posted on 12/27/2016 6:21:09 AM PST by Drawsing (Fools show their annoyance at once, the prudent man overlooks an insult. Proverbs 12:16)
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To: outofsalt
Powhatan's brother Openchancanough led an attempt in 1622 to wipe out all the white colonists in Virginia (they didn't try to kill the Africans, a few of whom were there by then). A sizeable number were killed.

Benjamin Franklin's maternal grandfather, Peter Folger (1617-1690), learned the language of the local Indians and spoke out against the Puritans' oppression of the Indians--he saw King Philip's War as God's punishment of them for their sin of persecution.

56 posted on 12/27/2016 11:24:37 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: bert
This position was maintained until the invention of casinos...

Indians do not need to demand reparations from the White Man. The White Man gives his money quite willingly in those many tribal owned casinos.

57 posted on 12/27/2016 4:04:25 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Verginius Rufus

http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Opechancanough_d_1646

This article states that the Powhatan’s tried to distance themselves from him after his death. America should do the same with Obama after he vacates the white house.


58 posted on 12/28/2016 5:34:16 AM PST by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything)
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