Posted on 09/26/2016 7:36:18 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
Headline of the Day Poll
Who won the debate?
Hillary Clinton (57%) Donald Trump (43%) Vote
Read more: http://www.headlineoftheday.com/#ixzz4LQ3fXfwL
Absolutely right, don't let the MSM run the show.
Lester and Hilary focused on gotchas. Trump focused on making the country better.
The only helpful thing for Hilary tonight was that she seemed healthy and alert. She also came off as more concerned about being nasty to Trump than about helping the country. She had rambling platitudes..and statements like "we need a plan to...". Trump's repeated a winning point...he has an idea of how to make things better already and really wants to do it.
Hilary finally accused Trump of nasty behavior that was not in evidence. Leaving the undecided to decide who to believe...Hilary or their own lying eyes.
Trump was highly critical of the job Hilary had done, but he did not make it personal like Hilary did of him. This made Hilary look partisan and Trump look patriotic. Also it was smart sense Trump had an opportunity to make the case that he had been misrepresented. But the fact that Hilary is a liar and corrupt is still just a fact, unaltered by the debate, but still well known.
Trump sounded sicker than Hillary, which I did not expect. Trump spent too much time attacking foreign governments instead of the US tax and regulatory policies promulgated by the Clinton/Bush/Obama regime, which I consider an error. Trump got bogged down in defending himself on support for the Iraq war, instead of just pointing out that Clinton saw all the intelligence and voted for it, which given her subsequent actions must have been nothing but a bandwagon-riding political move.
Trump didn't lose a single voter tonight. Hillary didn't gain any. Trump can do better next time - but Hillary maxed out at this one. She has nowhere to go but down.
Trump could have done much better. Skipping formal preparation sessions was a huge blunder; he left countless opportunities on the floor, from the Clinton Foundation to the e-mail scandal, to the Iran nuclear deal.
As I said on other threads, Cankles was betting the farm on the first debate, and she definitely stopped the bleeding. Watch the media spin and the convenient crop of post-debate polls. She didn’t score a knockout, but she scored points with certain voting blocs, and you’ll see that in the surveys that appear in the coming days.
Trump didn’t kill his campaign tonight, but he didn’t do himself any favors. If there’s a consolation, it’s this: the debate you can afford to “tube” is the first one. He will be better in the second and third debates. So will Mike Pence next week.
In terms of who debated with greater skill, in a purely academic sense, I would say that it was pretty close, but maybe with a slight edge to Hillary. But I think a lot of viewers are more concerned with who will be better at solving problems. Hillary represents the status quo, being closely linked to the current administration, so a vote for Hillary is like a vote for a third term of Obama. In maybe his strongest moment, I thought Trump was very convincing in showing that the current situation is intolerable in terms of inner city crime, particularly Chicago. I thought he was very effective in demonstrating that stronger law and order will help inner city minorities who are so often the victims of crime, but whose votes are taken for granted by democrats every four years. Hillary did not have a credible answer in addressing this problem, so maybe Trump sways a few more minority voters with tonight’s performance.
Bull$#!+.
There are no sour grapes. There is only righteous anger.
We had a tested conservative candidate who could have beat the hell out of her in a debate and you morons couldn’t see what was right in front of your face.
Trump left so damn much on the table tonight. Saudi Arabia, Benghazi, DNC, corruption, Clinton Foundation, disaffected Bernie supporters, TPP, etc....
That was the worst debate performance I have ever seen.
He was debating a person everyone identifies as a criminal and ended up making her look like a saint.
“He spoke about lowering Taxes to entice companies back and to the US.”
Look, I am with you, but HE DID NOT MAKE THAT CONNECTION!!
I found that agonizingly inarticulate to the point of being driven batty. Yes, he spoke of lowering taxes for businesses. He said he would create jobs. (Big deal, they all do) But he did NOT say that businesses would find that lowered-tax environment sufficiently attractive to repatriate what they have taken offshore and the result would be new manufacturing in the US and that jobs would result.
Because he did not make that connection, he additionally fell partial victim to HRC’s anti-trickle-down blather which she was able to blame the 2008 finan debacle on when 2008 had not the slightest whit of anything to do with “trickle-down”. NOTHING.
By not being articulate about this stuff, he allows the meaningless blather of the left to win.
This is the consistent failure of Republicans, they can not connect the dots in the minds of the voters. It is rare enough to get them to state the principles but they skip over the linkage(s). They always omit that critical connective tissue! Always! And that is a fatal flaw they do over and over. You cannot expect people to make those leaps with you just because you happen to see or believe in them. It is a failure in narrative control and it has now cost Republicans 2 elections.
They want to reduce welfare and various entitlements for example, but because they do not make that connection as to the enslavement of those who get ensnared in it, the impression that is left in the minds of the voters who do not make the connections is that they are just mean miserly people who want to take stuff away who HAVE IT RIGHT NOW and who eat it and depend on it. THAT is why it is so ineffective to advance principled but disconnected arguments.
They want to build up the military as a show of strength, but they do not adequately explain how the strength is to be used as a deterrent, they appear warmongering.
They simply and consistently omit those intermediate explanatory steps and consistently lose out to freebie-promising libs and I’m certain we are both sick of it.
A draw on one level,....they both held their own & also a clear win for Trump
Hillary & the moderator tried every rhetorical tactic possible & it didn’t faze him in the least.....her distortions probably didn’t gain her one vote,.... But, Trump’s cool common sense are just what the change voters can relate to.....he was very PRESIDENTIAL
I’m not sure this was a much a draw as you think. I’m only gaging that by the internet poll.s
If Trump is winning at MSNBC, and he is, she’s in serious trouble.
Yes, our side as been gamed by Conservatives, but her side should have been out there too. Out of about seven polls, she’s winning one, the CNBC poll.
Trump is kicking butt.
I’m not sure if you saw Jim’s comments or not, and in a way you’re saying the same thing, people want change. She didn’t pick up any and he didn’t win any, but if you look at Time, Bing, MSNBC, and a few others, Clinton’s showing is terrible.
I looked at some of the comments at Time. Wow!
They were ripping her severely over there.
True, Trump only needed to show he could be President and Hillary needed to not pass out and stop Trumps momentum. She only succeeded on one of those and Trump looked like he could be President.
Absolutely, and early on. Insisting that, no, it wasn't just "a mistake". It was intentional. Including urging others to delete and all the shenanigans with her henchmen taking the fifth. Stabbed her integrity good right out of the gate.
I don't think so. As some have observed already, and I as one who has a degree from a very fine university on the subject (broadcast video) agree, that the lighting on him seemed to be harsher, not just brighter but even mal-filtered (to be more bothersome) and his microphone may have been adjusted or selected to make him sound unnatural.
Dirty tricks, yes but hardly new. The Trump campaign must, repeat must take control of the studio and have the balls to walk off the debate if they can prove audio or video trickery! It's not rocket science. Just pushing light and sound around some simple electronics.
Have someone respond to me via FR if they care to take this further. I'm retired and can take the time to help. Again, I'm not the first to notice this.
Voted. It’s up to 53% Trump.
Hillary won the debate insofar as debating goes. She got under his skin. Had him defending all kinds of stupid stuff. He would not shut up. He was not ready for prime time. She was so smug and smiling as he went down rabbit holes. My guess is the polls will not move much either way. She is so unlikable and I have to believe the undecided number just grew.
Cruz is a great debater and would have eaten that smug SOB for lunch. He would not have left so many issues on the table. She had Donald going down rabbit holes defending himself. For a minute I though Rubio was chiding him for his little hands.
You are 100% correct. He winged it. Terrible job. Cruz would have eaten her lunch. He was babbling on and on, saying nothing. She just stood there smiling as he took the bait.
first time one on one debate he held his own wait till 2 and 3 he was trying to be measured lots of good stuff still on table Foundation ,Benghazi, emails and he will knock her out.
Trump won. There were no cringe moments at all. He handledthe Clinton/Holt tag team well. Missed a lot of opportunities but he gave no ground to the smartest woman in the world who has been sucking off the teat of government her entire adult life.
That's pretty much how she came off to any informed American along with the snobbish elitist arrogant attitude she had.
hilLIARy is using the same old tired leftist playbook trying to get elected. She had nothing new to present to Americans who are fed up with the status quo she represents.
CGato
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