Posted on 06/27/2016 3:06:31 AM PDT by Jonty30
If, under a Hilary government, the Second Amendment was read out of the Constitution or Amended to be null and void, could the South leave?
Those who joined the Union did so with the Constitution as it was written at the time, so those were agreed upon terms. However, it seems to me that a repeal of the Second Amendment represents a change to the contract, needing all parties to agree to the change or it becomes a breach and allows parties to decide to stay or not.
Am I wrong?
Uh, amending the Constitution requires a 2/3rds majority in Congress and ratification by 3/4ths of the states.
Look at the history of the 21st Amendment, which repealed the 18th (Prohibition). It was a long & difficult process even though the movement to do so was wildly popular.
The Second Amendment will never be repealed. And if the government announces, “Citizens, you can’t have guns anymore. You must forfeit them to the State”, there will be civil war.
In an earlier post today they show a passel of U.N. armored vehicles moving down a Virginia freeway.
That would be fine a I would have a problem taking out Americans coming for my single shot .22 rifle.
As for blue helmets? no problem at all.
Get the U.N. out of America.
In an earlier post today they show a passel of U.N. armored vehicles moving down a Virginia freeway.
That would be fine a I would have a problem taking out Americans coming for my single shot .22 rifle.
As for blue helmets? no problem at all.
Get the U.N. out of America.
Well, since by definition the U.S. Constitution won't apply there, it probably won't be the 2nd amendment.
But I take your point.
Starting with the Kenyan at the top..............
The only real question is can a state or region withstand the physical corecion of the central government i.e. the military force?
Mrs. bill won’t make such declaration until she has that 5th communist on the Court which will then ratify whatever she declares. If she says the 2amd means that only the President may determine who may keep and bear arms that Court will agree. And a 5th Communist will finish turning Roberts and there will be 6 with Kennedy no longer a swing vote, there may well be 7.
Why would it require court action before a secession vote?
Do you agree that the only 'justification' for the North attacking the South was the South attacked Federal forces on Ft Sumner first on 12 April 1861 at 4:30 am?
I find nothing in either The Declaration of independence or the US Constitution that would prohibit secession until after a court battle.
But I would like to hear your rational for court first.
I find it hard to believe that there would be anything more than a court fight after any state or states seceded. Keep in mind, what the ruling political class's masters, the Donor class, want is a broken, weakened US.
Secession, while it would be great for states like Maine, would be devastating for states like Kansas an Utah, states that are landlocked.
Who are they going to use to force their will on a state whose people secede?
I personally will move to the first state that secedes from an unconstitutional America.
Well if the corrupt voting machines are able to steal this election and put any other than Donald John Trump in the oval office, start making plans to move to Maine or Texas.
But keep this in mind, thirty seconds after Maine votes to secede, our borders will be closed for a minimum of two years to any immigration.
I cannot speak for any state other than Maine, but here in Maine, a meeting took place in the fall of 1985, three things came out of that meeting.
First the forming of Maine State Militia
second the push to change Article 16 of Maine's Constitution
and three the ground work for the secession of Maine from the Union. Maine's borders will be strong and Maine's immigration laws will be strictly enforced.
One law makes that statement fact.
"Any one coming into Maine, other than through an official Border Crossing, is to be considered and armed invader, any Maine Citizen can use what ever force he, she or they deem necessary to repel the invasion."
“The South is no longer your Great Grandpappy’s South.
Social media, mass media brainwashing techniques being prime agents.
Interesting mental exercise.
However, Mr. Lincoln expunged the Jeffersonian dictum
that government’s just powers are derived from the consent of the governed.
No -it would be a treasonous act against the People. But, what Obama has been doing also qualifies so why worry about the legalities of it????
Backed by a group of both Republicans and Democrats, Maine Sen. Susan Collins unveiled legislation Tuesday to prevent terrorists from obtaining guns. And backers say the bill has an actual chance of garnering the 60-vote majority required to pass in the Senate.
Collins, a moderate Republican senator, called the deadly shootings in Orlando and San Bernardino, California, “a call for compromise, a plea for bipartisan action.”
I KNOW what I have here in NY.... Crap. You need to look a little closer at your elected officials in the great state of Maine
The social contract changed in the 1930s. It had been “protect us and otherwise leave us alone.” With the New Deal, the contract became “take care of us and we will surrender our rights.”
The current social contract is now similar to the feudal contract between serf and noble.
Just like the first time.
I think any state should have the right to leave at any time...just like Brexit. Have a referendum and leave if the voters don’t like the situation.
I think the south would have been allowed to leave, without bloodshed, if they hadn’t seized federal military installations throughout the south. An overlooked part of history is the south’s offer to pay for those installations, after they were seized (too little too late). Imagine if they had made the offer first...would there have been any support for war in the north?
The current system with massive federal power is not what any of the states agreed to...not even close.
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