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Jewish plans for London 'eruv' zone ringed by six miles of fishing wire to avoid restrictions [tr]
UK Daily Mail ^
| June 1, 2016
| Mark Duell
Posted on 06/01/2016 8:36:22 AM PDT by C19fan
A six-mile perimeter could be created around an area of North London to help Orthodox Jews avoid restrictions on the Sabbath. Fishing wire would be suspended from tall poles to create the boundary for what would become a huge eruv, acting as an extension of the walls of a home which would give Jews greater freedom. But there are concerns the proposal to Camden Council by a group of synagogues could lead to ghettoisation of the area, following similar fears raised in another application nearby in 2014.
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TOPICS: Religion
KEYWORDS: eruv; jewish; sabbath
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Being from the NYC metro area I remember similar stories about Orthodox Jews applying to do the same thing in the area. The Gentiles tended to object because they did not want poles with fishing wire in the neighborhood.
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posted on
06/01/2016 8:36:22 AM PDT
by
C19fan
To: C19fan
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posted on
06/01/2016 8:38:05 AM PDT
by
AppyPappy
(If you really want to irritate someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
To: C19fan
Wonder what the new mayor of London thinks about this?
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posted on
06/01/2016 8:39:25 AM PDT
by
Starboard
To: C19fan
what is an eruv and what does fishing wire have to do with it?
oh, and what is fishing wire?
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posted on
06/01/2016 8:41:14 AM PDT
by
bert
((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....Opabinia can teach us a lot)
To: AppyPappy
Seems like one of those violating the spirit of the law. But who am I to tell observant Jews how to observe the Sabbath. I read similar things about Jubilee years where to get around the obligation to forgive debts observant Jews would transfer assets to Gentiles in a type of repurchase agreement.
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posted on
06/01/2016 8:42:22 AM PDT
by
C19fan
To: C19fan
It’s just odd they come up with elaborate schemes to get around rules they voluntarily follow.
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posted on
06/01/2016 8:44:07 AM PDT
by
AppyPappy
(If you really want to irritate someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
To: C19fan
I would have thought they had one already, but it is the UK. My old neighborhood has one in Pittsburgh, IIRC.
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posted on
06/01/2016 8:44:44 AM PDT
by
PghBaldy
(12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
To: C19fan
Can we “Infidels” somehow set up muslim-free zones, using a similar system?
What about “gay”-free zones? (This would be especially helpful during the month of June.)
Of course, neither would be allowed!!!!
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posted on
06/01/2016 8:44:57 AM PDT
by
Honorary Serb
(Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
To: bert
Ive used stainless trolling wire for bluefin.
Comment #10 Removed by Moderator
To: C19fan
THIS is what Orthodox means......following the rules instead of CHANGING them!!! Talk about Ghettoization!! These would be NO GO ZONES....maybe they already are.....I’m sure they don’t want any Gentiles in their hood.
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posted on
06/01/2016 9:38:19 AM PDT
by
Ann Archy
(ABORTION....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
To: Ann Archy
The eruv is not to keep gentiles out; it is to give the Orthodox Jews within a boundary in which to walk on the Sabbath. We have several Orthodox communities in Maryland's Baltimore suburbs, where non-Orthodox drivers passing through on the public streets can observe Orthodox Jews walking the distance to and from services. Some communities used to use existing telephone poles. Now that most lines are buried, they are seeking other ways to erect the eruv. Click on the link above to read about why the eruv helps them to observe their "no work on the Sabbath" rule.
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posted on
06/01/2016 10:11:06 AM PDT
by
Albion Wilde
(In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. --George Orwell)
To: C19fan
I don’t think that you can fool God with technicalities.
To: bert
It’s related to a rule from the Talmud that if they take a bit of string they can fence off an area outside their home and then they can use that area on the sabbath as if it were inside their home. Harmless enough, but if you decide to extend that to stringing off whole neighborhoods, I think you are ignoring the spirit of the rule.
To: Boogieman
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posted on
06/01/2016 10:15:43 AM PDT
by
bert
((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....Opabinia can teach us a lot)
To: AppyPappy
"Its just odd they come up with elaborate schemes to get around rules they voluntarily follow." Being chosen is not a choice for the chosen. An eruv ([ʔeˈʁuv]; Hebrew: עירוב, "mixture", also transliterated as eiruv or erub, plural: eruvin [ʔeʁuˈvin]) is a ritual enclosure that some Jewish communities, and especially Orthodox Jewish communities, construct in their neighborhoods as a way to permit Jewish residents or visitors to carry certain objects outside their own homes on Sabbath and Yom Kippur. An eruv accomplishes this by integrating a number of private and public properties into one larger private domain, thereby avoiding restrictions on carrying objects from the private to the public domain on Sabbath and holidays. The eruv allows these religious Jews to, among other things, carry house keys, tissues, medicines, or babies with them, and use strollers and canes. The presence or absence of an eruv thus especially affects the lives of people with limited mobility and those responsible for taking care of babies and young children.
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posted on
06/01/2016 10:17:14 AM PDT
by
MeanWestTexan
(Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
To: C19fan
The purpose of the symbolic enclosure is not to keep gentiles out, or to create a no-go zone. According to the article, it's to create a kind of "virtual" boundary within which you'd have a single kind of ritual space. These eruvim posts and fishing lines are barely visible or noticeable. They are the next best thing to invisible fences without being literally invisible.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see why anyone should be bent out of shape by this. I mean, it's not my religion, but it's no skin off my nose, either.
It's also not my job to decide whether this is within or outside of proper Jewish fidelity to their religious customs. There's no way I, a Christian Gentile, have any reasonable way to have an opinion on that.
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posted on
06/01/2016 10:51:41 AM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
(So far, this is the oldest I've been.)
To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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posted on
06/02/2016 4:38:57 AM PDT
by
SJackson
(The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
To: Mrs. Don-o
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see why anyone should be bent out of shape by this. I mean, it's not my religion, but it's no skin off my nose, either. You're not wrong. I put a couple links in post 18 explaining the concept.
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posted on
06/02/2016 4:46:10 AM PDT
by
SJackson
(The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
To: SJackson
Thank you. The additional information is interesting, and also perplexing.
What I'm perplexed about is this: who gives a flying fig about some nearly invisible symbolic boundary lines? Why are people so offended?
I respect the Orthodox Jews but, truth be told, it wouldn't make any difference to me if it was Hindus, Mormons or Santeria. It's an invisible boundary line that helps innocent, blameless, inoffensive people have a little more freedom of movement and action on the Sabbath.
Seriously, have at it. What's not to like?
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posted on
06/02/2016 5:05:43 AM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
(If they live by the Koran, I don't want them to live by me.)
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