Posted on 04/14/2016 12:42:16 PM PDT by LesDowrey
If Ted Cruz were to win the GOP Nomination on the 2nd ballot or further down the line, he will have won the GOP nomination based on STOPPING Trump, not SUPPORTING Ted. That's not really a great way to win is it? Also, if he couldn't beat Trump at the ballot box, how will he beat Hillary?
Well, lessee, Reagan signed that Immigration Act in 1986 that gave amnesty to over 3 million illegals.
I think Donald Trump could be at least as conservative as that, possibly more so.
Similarly, Donald Trump could be as conservative Reagan on issues such as IRS/taxation, trade, and education. Again, possibly more so.
I would hope that Ronald Reagan wouldn't have supported these phony "free trade" agreements like NAFTA, GATT, and the new one, the TPP. I know Donald Trump doesn't.
I'm sure there would be areas in which Donald Trump was not a Reagan conservative, but there could also be some areas (immigration, for example) that Trump might be more conservative than Reagan.
Don't forget, Ronald Reagan himself had been a lifelong Democrat until he changed to the GOP when he was over 50, and I think that Donald Trump has honestly undergone a similar evolution.
One thing for sure: only Donald Trump threatens to end the status quo in Washington DC.
In DC, everyone in power benefits by scratching each other's backs. Every member of the Uniparty has a spot reserved for them at the feeding trough.
Shaking the corrupt DC power structure to its core is the greatest thing that could be done for the American People by any modern President. Nothing could be more important than that, and nothing else good can happen until that does.
Only Donald Trump can begin this Revolutionary process. At this point, Ted Cruz has not shown good instinct or leadership qualities, has exposed himself as a naked, unprincipled opportunist on several occasions, and, worse, is too beholden to his wealthy donors and his GOPe benefactors, whose tactics and strategy he has adopted 100%.
Donald Trump, on the other hand, can't be bought...
Did Al Gore have the right to expect that if he won the popular vote in 2000, he won the electoral college?
Lets see what Cruz does when he is mathematically eliminated in a few weeks, but we already know is he planning a Convention fight.
And according to the logic of Cruz followers, why should Kasich drop out at all when he can prevent Trump or Cruz from getting the number and win at the convention?
As the only non politician with a chance in the race and with a conspiracy between the RNC, Cruz, Kasich and others all against him how can the people ever win?
A Trump victory would be one won against all odds against all things both legit and especially the majority that is not legit.
Still citing those meaningless push polls?
It really sucks when the propaganda goals of your preferred candidate, Ted Cruz, overlap completely with those of the Left, Media, and GOPe.
Try as I might, I can never get any of the "push poll propaganda parrots" to answer the following reasonable questions:
Q: If indeed Donald Trump will be so easy for Hillary to beat, then why are all of these anti-Trump Media outlets so intent on convincing GOP voters of that notion? You'd think they'd want to de-emphasize such info in order to get the easiest opponent possible for their preferred candidate, right?
Q: Alternately, do these Media outlets (known water-carriers for the Left/Establishment) somehow have the best interest of the GOP voters at heart? Are they trying to heroically save GOP voters from making a bad decision?
After posing the questions above over a dozen times, none of the push poll fanboys have given any answer to the perfectly reasonable questions above.
So you can carry the Hillary/GOPe/Media/Left's water all you want, but everybody who is intellectually honest knows that you're aiding and abetting the Enemy by repeating their propaganda...
That’s the same process that was used in years past. If the party doesn’t want to nominate a Democrat they shouldn’t have to. Trump’s wins have come from a lot of crossover voting and he’s losing steam. He’s a train wreck and won’t win in November.
It's never been about "stopping Trump" for me.....Cruz has earned my support over the years, so I'll be sticking with him until the fat lady sings.
While others are whining about how Cruz is using the Republican primary system to advance....I see that as a sign of a determined man who has studied (1) Obama's rise to power and (2) his present adversaries (GOPe and fellow candidates).... to form a "political strategy" to win. I think that's a pretty good qualification for going up against the Socialist machine, should he succeed. Will Trump supporters/GOPe rank and file voters back him? Depends on how badly they want to prevent another 4 years of a like minded Obama replacement.
Trump has a harder road, IMHO, even if he gets the 1237 going into the convention. He has no strategy, ground game or experienced personnel supporting him....or he would have wiped the ground with Cruz long before this, just as he knocked out the others.
That tells me he doesn't have what it takes to beat Hillary, because it's going to take a heck of a lot more than "being popular" with a portion of the electorate to take her down. And thinking that the GOPe machine will get him over the line is like wishing on a star, since they couldn't even get their favored Romney or McCain over the finish line....so they sure can't/won't get Trump there.
It will take an organization like Cruz has built to take down the Dems. I hope, should the day arise, that Cruz will put all his assets and backing behind Trump if he's the final nominee.
Same thing applies should the GOPe put in a nominee over Trump/Cruz. They can't beat Hillary without Cruz's endorsement/organization and Trump's backing.
Yes, at this point Ted Cruz is just the establishment's useful idiot. That's a commie term for those that do not understand. The statism or really it's a mixture of communism, crony capitalism, and globalism that is strong here trying to take out a private citizen in Trump that believes in freedom and liberty.
Ted Cruz has gotten it to bed with these statists, in order to preserve the statist and unConstitutional government we have now whether he understands that or not, that's why the term Useful Idiot comes in to play when discussing Cruz's campaign. Useful Idiot's are usually discarded as soon as the elites are done using them so you are correct.
CGato
That’s the problem. You shouldn’t have to be a “politician” and play political games to win. We should be a citizen government. If Trump wins with the people he should win.
Also- if a politician can’t win with the people, they should not be President.
Under the current rule set Kasich can’t be on the ballot at the convention. Both trump and Cruz will make sure that rule stays in place.
And we know that in an open convention all kinds of weird things take place.
Count the votes (from the states where people are allowed to vote - the real votes - not the delegates selected by insider party elite) coming up in the next 3 weeks and ask your question again
If he had been really serious about putting a Republican in the White House, which ALL of the other candidates running were, he would not have begun attacking, mercilessly and with the degradation of a demagogue, every candidate that was running and ultimately until no one but he and Cruz were left...... and both are now ‘severely damaged by the fight’.....Almost like to finish the job....he's attacking every states rules, delegates,and the over all process ....
When you consider that Trumps very few and far between attacks on Hillary and Bernie carried almost ‘none’ of the vitriol he has been spewing at Ted Cruz and other candidates along the way,...it could be said he's out to destroy any chance of anything getting in Hillary's way....as his campaign now seems to be all about delgitimizing the entire process.
It could be said....the Demorats couldn't have planned it any better....destroying everything that opposes them using one of their own....
AMERICA FOR SALE?
Let me see if I have this right!
Early American elections have been about competing ideas on how best to guide the country toward the Founders Constitutionally articulated goals and principles . Sadly, more recent electoral contests have become battles between those who wish to more closely adhere to those early goals and those advancing increasingly alien systems of government, some of which seek the outright abandonment of the Founders’ vision.
Both the early and more recent elections have always been about persuading enough fellow citizens to support a candidate’s or party’s position. It’s why there’re called “elections”.
The modern electronic media driven campaigns have raised the cost of getting out the competing messages to a level where only those who have or have access to large sums need apply. And, although we began as a “republic” (the rule of law, i.e., the Constitution), elections are the unavoidable and potentially troublesome democratic aspect of the process for which no one wishing to maintain the remaining freedoms we still enjoy has found a substitute.
With the recent controversy involving “delegate” selection by local and state party elites comes a new and rather frightening development.
Probably due to Trump having upset the “established order”, it seems that campaigns are no longer buying persuasive media to get the word out to the general election voters, THEY’RE BUYING DELEGATES in an effort to stack the deck at the nominating conventions. Since they only have to persuade a few thousand citizens as opposed to trying to reach millions in the general population later, it’s cheaper and they can effectively dictate and limit the choices the general voters will have on election day!
Question: Can someone explain why this isn’t the same thing as bribing members of a jury to secure a desired verdict?
But I’m far less troubled by some miscreant bribing jurors than I am by what’s going on right now as you read this. While the verdict in a rigged jury situation hurts or damages the entity or entities who were the victims of the tampering, the eventual victim of what can only be called delegate tampering is the entire nation and, if an agent of one of those alien systems is the beneficiary of the tampering, will be the very futures of your children and grandchildren!
Have we really become the philosophical eunuchs the Founders feared? Have we really sunk this low?
Please tell me where I’ve got this wrong. I really DO want to be wrong on this one!
D.Bachert 4/14/2016
You mean the same polls that had him losing to Jeb?
Trump so incredible and such a winner that if every last one of his opponents doesn’t drop out, he won’t win. Lucky for him Hillary will probally be arrested by november.
Now the sad or pathetic part is that those 3 freepers are repeating the establishment talking points all day every day on nearly every thread.
Yeah it is very sad and they continue throughout this thread. It's like they are very blind to what is really going on out there or they approve of the ends justifying the means. Which is another statist or commie term and has nothing to do with principled conservatism.
I've been lurking here since 1998 and came to Free Republic to vet the news because I took to battling libtards online. Libtards had gotten so blind and irrational, there is just no debating them anymore. We just have to defeat them. When news outlets start banning conservative views and trust me, I've taken it to the news directors as well and they have become such statists that they don't see conservative views as important or pretty much radical. This is why it's not hard for me to spot possible statist liberals here.
So I decided to join FR and help with the cause for liberty and freedom. The crazy thing I see these days here is just how blind some of these Cruz supporters have been to the evil statism, I'm talking the whole cabal, including the Cruz campaign, to try to take down one American citizen that does believe in freedom and liberty.
The Cruz supporters here have become just as blind and irrational as those liberals I did battle with but they don't realize is they are both now on the same side here and on the wrong side of freedom and liberty. I never in my lifetime thought I would see that on Free Republic.
CGato
With a sledgehammer,
it’s the only way.
Best Wishes!
“If Trump can’t figure out the primary process and win it, should he lead the country? No.”
How does one “win” corruption?
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