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Ted Cruz supporters at this point are voting for the GOP Establishment to Choose the nominee.
self / opinion ^ | 4/1/2016 | Jack Black

Posted on 04/01/2016 8:41:50 AM PDT by Jack Black

There are only two choices remaining for how the GOP Nomination process goes.

There is no possibility of either Cruz or Kasich winning the nomination by delegate votes on the first ballot, so both of them are working to prevent Trump from reaching that threshold, and then hoping they are the choice of the open convention that results.

It's hard to handicap who walks out of Cleveland with the crown if we go in with Trump short of 1237 delegates.

What we do know is that the party is being extra-crafty to put party loyalists into as many of those delegate slots as possible. Some of those faux-Trump delegates may well support Cruz, but it's more likely that many are Romney era or even older GOP establishment types.

Do you know your county GOP chair? Those are the type of people who will be deciding the nominee in an open convention.

I think Cruz's chances of winning the nomination on a second or subsequent ballot are pretty poor. He's not loved by the GOP establishment, in fact some say he's liked less than Trump. Having pulled off a great political coup, with the open convention, you can be sure that the powers that be will not settle for Cruz.

This will be the golden opportunity to seat someone they really like.

My guess is Paul Ryan is that guy.

My serious question to Cruz supporters (and Kasich too if there are any here) is: do you prefer having the GOP Establishment pick the nominee to Trump?

And, secondly, if you will stipulate for the sake of discussion that Cruz is unlikely to be the guy, who do you want the GOP Establishment to choose?


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To: Jack Black

Nearly all of Cruz’s support on this forum is from Texas and they already voted.

According to the daily FR caucus, his support is dropping below 15%.

Cruz’s mission is only to block Trump by splintering a few delegates.

He will be repaid some how, but not at the convention.

If they are fool enough to run with him, he will lose worst than our last two.

The DNC can challenge him fifty times based on his lack of meeting the qualifications.


21 posted on 04/01/2016 8:58:36 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: Jack Black
And what happens if Cruz drops out today and says "You know what? Trump's really not a bad guy...all of my supporters and all of my delegates should line up behind him." (Not going to happen after all of the character assassination, BTW).

And what happens if Kasich also drops out and says the same. (Also not going to happen, because Kasich's kissed the establishment's back-side in the vain, delusional hopes that when the establishment DOES kick Trump and Cruz to the curb at the convention, they'll pick him.)

Even if that all happens, and Trump reaches the convention with 1,237 or more delegates, what is to stop the GOPe "neverTrumpers" from simply changing the temporary rule calling for 1,237 and deny Trump the nomination anyway?

I've got news, if the establishment doesn't want Trump and they don't want Cruz, they WILL find a way to appoint somebody else.

None of the infighting, backstabbing, and whining we do here on FreeRepublic is going to change that.

22 posted on 04/01/2016 8:59:03 AM PDT by Washi (Don't blame me. I voted for the conservative.)
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To: BJ1
The Trump logic is funny. On the one hand you guys try to paint Cruz as carrying the water for the GOPe. On the other hand, Cruz can’t wind because the establish hates his guts. LOL. You guys contradict yourselves on FR to suit the argument you want to make. Cruz is either an outsider or not. Be consistent Trump guys. If your new argument is the establish hates Cruz, than Cruz can’t be one of them. Just saying.

It's not a contradiction but to understand the position we're in today requires some critical thinking. Try to keep up. Cruz is being used as a tool to stop Trump. Period. He's being USED. He's NOT their choice for the nomination and he never will be. He's just a disposable instrument of obstruction.

23 posted on 04/01/2016 9:00:04 AM PDT by pgkdan (The Silent Majority Stands With TRUMP!)
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To: Durbin

I would hope that all voters look at the condition of the county and decide what’s best for our nation. Some will say “to hell with it all” and I can honestly say I may end up in that camp. But for now, I’ll take Trump’s nationalism over Hillary’s crime spree and Bern’s communism.

Just my two cents.


24 posted on 04/01/2016 9:00:10 AM PDT by frankenMonkey (Trump 2016, because FUGOP)
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To: Jack Black

We see a lot of analyses like this that are based on the assumption that Reince Priebus is actually Clark Kent. He isn’t. At least that’s my opinion.

Also overlooked is the possibility that Trump, if he falls short, can still make a deal for the Rubio (171) and/or Kasich (143) delegates and fill in his first ballot shortfall. I consider this the most likely outcome for the convention.

But ...

There may well be established a “RULE” that keeps Rubio and Kasich for controlling/releasing their delegates on that crucial first ballot. Trump fans should be on the lookout for votes on any rule of this sort. Of course there is the possibility that there are already rules at the state level that could preclude this. I don’t know if that is so or not.

Also it is possible that Cruz could inherit the Kasich and/or Rubio delegates and actually finish ahead of the Trump. Somehow I don’t see this happening but it is a possibility that should be considered. I doubt if those votes would put Cruz over the 1237 threshold but they would make him the likely winner on the 2nd ballot. ‘Clark Kent’ would have to see this as a favorable outcome which I doubt will be the case.

Should Trump fail on the first ballot for whatever reason he still looks like he should be able to make a deal with Kasich + Rubio. VP and Secretary of State here we come. But, there will be defection from Trump in Round 2 and that favors Cruz, at least IMHO. It also assumes that my Clark Kent Rule is also true and that belief is not widely held around these parts.

In any case the Living In Interesting Times Rule seem to be quite applicable to 2016.


25 posted on 04/01/2016 9:01:11 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Zenjitsuman
"CAN’T SEE MITCH AND PAUL LETTING CRUZ WIN THEY HATE HIS GUTS IF TRUMP WINS MOST DELEGATES, EVEN IF A FEW SHORT, GIVEN THEY STARTED WITH 17 DELEGATES THE WHOLE THING WILL BE VIEWED AS RIGGED IF TRUMP DOESN’T WIN. REMEMBER BECAUSE OF TRUMP 70% MORE VOTERS HAVE VOTED THIS YEAR. WE WILL VOTE THE GOP LEADERSHIP OUT OF OFFICE STARTING WITH RYAN."

WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?

26 posted on 04/01/2016 9:01:26 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian, political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I?)
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To: frankenMonkey

If it comes down to Trump and Hillary, I won’t vote for either because I don’t trust either.


27 posted on 04/01/2016 9:01:55 AM PDT by Durbin
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To: Zenjitsuman
"CAN’T SEE MITCH AND PAUL LETTING CRUZ WIN THEY HATE HIS GUTS IF TRUMP WINS MOST DELEGATES, EVEN IF A FEW SHORT, GIVEN THEY STARTED WITH 17 CANDIDATES THE WHOLE THING WILL BE VIEWED AS RIGGED IF TRUMP DOESN’T WIN. REMEMBER BECAUSE OF TRUMP 70% MORE VOTERS HAVE VOTED THIS YEAR. WE WILL VOTE THE GOP LEADERSHIP OUT OF OFFICE STARTING WITH RYAN."

WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING TWICE? We heard you the first time!

28 posted on 04/01/2016 9:03:13 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian, political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I?)
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To: Durbin
You’re right, us Cruz voters should just give up and go home and stay there till the elections are over in November. Sounds like a good idea.

I didn't say or even imply that. What I said is


29 posted on 04/01/2016 9:03:20 AM PDT by Jack Black ( "Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide")
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Then Trump goes 3rd party and the Dems win again.


30 posted on 04/01/2016 9:04:17 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory ((ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government))
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To: Jack Black

Cruz should take the hint from Rove. If there is no nominee going into the convention, the convention won’t select Cruz or Trump. That ‘new face’ comment from Rove was a warning shot to Cruz.

The problem is that the GOPestablishment don’t really care if they lose to Hillary. As many of them have said, they would rather lose to Hillary than have Trump or Cruz as their nominee.


31 posted on 04/01/2016 9:04:33 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: pgkdan

“It’s not a contradiction but to understand the position we’re in today requires some critical thinking. Try to keep up. Cruz is being used as a tool to stop Trump. Period. He’s being USED. He’s NOT their choice for the nomination and he never will be. He’s just a disposable instrument of obstruction.”

The only problem with this line of thought is that if Trump can’t get to 1237 on his own, the GOPe does not need Cruz in order to take the nomination away from Trump. Same goes for Cruz.


32 posted on 04/01/2016 9:05:09 AM PDT by deltanine
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To: Zenjitsuman
It’s either Trump, or a GOPe approved nominee. Cruz will NEVER get the nomination under any circumstance. I Totally AGREE

Here are some facts that seem to me to be applicable:

There are 2472 delegates to the GOP Convention.

57% of these or something over 1400 are free to vote however they like after the 1st ballot.

Question: How many of these delegates do you believe are controlled by the GOPe?

33 posted on 04/01/2016 9:05:51 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Zenjitsuman
Posted twice AND in all caps.

Really, shouting isn't any more convincing.

34 posted on 04/01/2016 9:06:34 AM PDT by Washi (Don't blame me. I voted for the conservative.)
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To: Jack Black

Nope, we’re voting for Cruz to be the nominee, but go ahead and console yourself with this bit of crazy theory.


35 posted on 04/01/2016 9:06:54 AM PDT by JSDude1
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To: deltanine
The only problem with this line of thought is that if Trump can’t get to 1237 on his own, the GOPe does not need Cruz in order to take the nomination away from Trump. Same goes for Cruz.

Geez...it's like talking to a wall sometimes.

36 posted on 04/01/2016 9:07:40 AM PDT by pgkdan (The Silent Majority Stands With TRUMP!)
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To: Jack Black
Every bit of your analysis is absolutely, undeniably correct.

Cruz supporters, as we have seen for months, and in this very thread, will not hear it. And
all of us who have come to understand, come from the ranks of Cruz supporters, so it is
not that we disagree with the Conservative things he says and has done, but that he is
being used by Rove-Soros-Donohue-etalcabal as a Trump blocker so that they can install
their guy.

The tragedy is that we and the Cruz supporters want the same thing, but that we will both
be denied victory at this most critical juncture. Cruz supporters would need to reassess
Cruz's connections to the GOPe, but they are unwilling to do so. They cannot get past
Trump's lack of ideology, his past, his personality.

In the fullness of time will they see their error, but by then the ship will have sailed.
37 posted on 04/01/2016 9:08:26 AM PDT by jobim
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To: Jack Black

Oh I understand exactly what you are saying. And I’m saying us Cruz supporters are in a tough spot, because we don’t want the GOPe picking someone else, and most of us sure as hell don’t want Trump. So what else should we do? Just throw our hands up and go home? Might as well if our votes are pointless anyway.


38 posted on 04/01/2016 9:09:39 AM PDT by Durbin
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To: Durbin
Never stay home! I never would and will vote come November too! I just try to make sure I do lots of research in order to make the best choice I can.

http://www.theconservativetreehouse.com/

39 posted on 04/01/2016 9:11:35 AM PDT by seekthetruth (Still praying for a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: seekthetruth

So I should just vote for someone I don’t trust? I’d rather stay home.


40 posted on 04/01/2016 9:12:17 AM PDT by Durbin
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