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Ted Cruz supporters at this point are voting for the GOP Establishment to Choose the nominee.
self / opinion ^ | 4/1/2016 | Jack Black

Posted on 04/01/2016 8:41:50 AM PDT by Jack Black

There are only two choices remaining for how the GOP Nomination process goes.

There is no possibility of either Cruz or Kasich winning the nomination by delegate votes on the first ballot, so both of them are working to prevent Trump from reaching that threshold, and then hoping they are the choice of the open convention that results.

It's hard to handicap who walks out of Cleveland with the crown if we go in with Trump short of 1237 delegates.

What we do know is that the party is being extra-crafty to put party loyalists into as many of those delegate slots as possible. Some of those faux-Trump delegates may well support Cruz, but it's more likely that many are Romney era or even older GOP establishment types.

Do you know your county GOP chair? Those are the type of people who will be deciding the nominee in an open convention.

I think Cruz's chances of winning the nomination on a second or subsequent ballot are pretty poor. He's not loved by the GOP establishment, in fact some say he's liked less than Trump. Having pulled off a great political coup, with the open convention, you can be sure that the powers that be will not settle for Cruz.

This will be the golden opportunity to seat someone they really like.

My guess is Paul Ryan is that guy.

My serious question to Cruz supporters (and Kasich too if there are any here) is: do you prefer having the GOP Establishment pick the nominee to Trump?

And, secondly, if you will stipulate for the sake of discussion that Cruz is unlikely to be the guy, who do you want the GOP Establishment to choose?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: 1stcanadiansenator; 2016; globalistcruz; nomination; noteligiblecruz; openboarderscruz; vanity
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To: longfellowsmuse
It's not yet mathematically impossible for Cruz, it's extremely improbable. See my Post #100, I do the math.
121 posted on 04/01/2016 11:49:41 AM PDT by Jack Black ( "Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide")
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To: Jack Black

Cruz supporters are certainly voting for a Canadian.... or a Cuban.... Certainly not for a natural born citizen.

But hey, he’s our guy so screw the founding fathers.... they didnt know crap anyway!


122 posted on 04/01/2016 11:51:12 AM PDT by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon
I've always voted for the candidate who is the strongest advocate of limiting government. Whether that candidate has a chance of winning or not.

Fair enough. Simple and you can sleep well at night. I'm a lot more flexible and pragmatic, I want to help the better of the available choices win.

123 posted on 04/01/2016 11:52:06 AM PDT by Jack Black ( "Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide")
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To: LearnsFromMistakes
I've always voted for the candidate who is the strongest advocate of limiting government. Whether that candidate has a chance of winning or not.

Yes, that's true.

So that's Ted 's one plan to win I guess, which is why I say it's "highly unlikely".

Do you think Trump might drop out soon? Do you think Kasich might do better than Ted in states like New York and Pennsylvania if it was Ted vs. John only?

124 posted on 04/01/2016 11:54:19 AM PDT by Jack Black ( "Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide")
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I was polled the other day. I still have a landline. I was asked to rate candidates as favorable or unfavorable. I got talking to the pollster. I’m not alone.
I’ve been reported to the moderators because there’s a candidate I will not vote for. You get to guess which one.
Good luck


125 posted on 04/01/2016 11:55:18 AM PDT by lucky american (Progressives are attacking our rights and y'all will sit there and take it.)
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To: CityCenter
Nope, I am voting from Cruz. I have liked him from the beginning, but it took me a while to settle on him as my choice. I needed to see how it would play out with all the other candidates. Cruz is getting my vote in the Washington State primary and he will get my vote if he wins the nomination. Trump will never get my vote.

OK. So will you vote for Hillary in Hillary vs. Trump? Or just protest by not voting or throwing vote away on 3rd party?

126 posted on 04/01/2016 11:56:03 AM PDT by Jack Black ( "Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide")
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To: Durbin
yeah I know, you convinced me that it’s a choice between the GOPe and Trump, therefore I’ll stay home.

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure you'll show up to vote for the GOP-e approved candidate whether it be Romney, Ryan or Bush. Cruz will too. I won't.

127 posted on 04/01/2016 11:57:55 AM PDT by upsdriver (I support Sarah Palin.)
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To: upsdriver

No I’m serious. If my only choices are the GOPe or Trump. I’ll stay home. Not sure how many more times I can say it.


128 posted on 04/01/2016 11:59:46 AM PDT by Durbin
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To: Durbin
No I’m serious. If my only choices are the GOPe or Trump. I’ll stay home. Not sure how many more times I can say it.

You can do better than that. I'm voting straight rat if the GOPe picks the candidate.

129 posted on 04/01/2016 12:01:30 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Great analysis. It's really on Ted to drop out and unite the Party. He has clearly been bested. If he were really the champion of Conservatism he would do exactly that, and be part of stopping Hillary.

Again, I credit him with being smart but his ego is huge, and he's not a person who is very good at diplomacy, compromise or, apparently, losing gracefully.

He may hate Trump more than he loves America.

He may be so deep inside his bubble that he isn't thinking clearly.

Historically "good sportsmanship" in campaign contests includes gracefully admitting you have no path to the nomination and letting the party come together.

It's part of his character weakness that he can't seem to do that. Instead he's going to keep everything going and may ultimately divide the party and guarantee Hillary's election.

130 posted on 04/01/2016 12:02:44 PM PDT by Jack Black ( "Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide")
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To: Stentor

At least you admit you’re voting straight Democrat. I’ll just stay home.


131 posted on 04/01/2016 12:03:59 PM PDT by Durbin
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To: Flick Lives

“Cruz is merely the GOPe’s weapon of convenience against Trump.”

True enough and you can take that to the bank.


132 posted on 04/01/2016 12:09:11 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Parley Baer

I will take it a step further. A vote for Cruz is a vote for Hillary.


133 posted on 04/01/2016 12:10:59 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: LearnsFromMistakes
My post 124 to you was in response to this:
If Trump drops out and Cruz gets the rest of the delegates, then the GOPe doesn't get to pick anything.

, not the quote at the top, which isn't yours.

Sorry for the misattribution. Editing mistake.

134 posted on 04/01/2016 12:15:10 PM PDT by Jack Black ( "Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide")
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To: bayoung18

“Trump Supporters are voting for Hillary to be elected president.”

That’s a ridiculous assertion which isn’t even close to being within the bounds of reality.

There’s absolutely no enthusiasm in this country for a Hillary Clinton presidency. None. Meanwhile, Trump attracts tens of thousands of supporters to his rallies, and routinely drives the daily narrative surrounding the race.

Simple observation alone should inform even the most casual watcher that, if the general election comes down to a face off between Clinton and Trump, she’s going to be massacred.


135 posted on 04/01/2016 12:21:04 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: BJ1

“On the one hand you guys try to paint Cruz as carrying the water for the GOPe. On the other hand, Cruz can’t win because the establish hates his guts.”

If you’ve followed Cruz with an unbiased eye, it’s plain as day that he’s a water boy for the establishment. Lofty words are one thing, but deeds are quite another. It’s his deeds that tell the truth of who and what he really is.

The reason Ted Cruz has failed to capture the lead in this race, is because most right leaning voters have graded him on his actions, and have found him to be wanting. It has nothing to do with whether or not the old bulls in the establishment “hate” him. The fact is, they’ve gathered to his side because, ultimately, he believes what they believe, and can be trusted to forward their globalist agenda.


136 posted on 04/01/2016 12:36:02 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Belteshazzar
But my main point is that Cruz is embedded with GOPe, either for his own gain or to
further theirs. It is this point upon which everything hinges. To accept it is to conclude:
either Trump OR GOPe.

I am not angry with Cruz supporters who fail to accept this, because as I said, we ALL
were Cruz supporters sometime previous. I am just fearful for what this lack of
reassessing Cruz's candidacy will portend.
137 posted on 04/01/2016 1:34:11 PM PDT by jobim
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To: Durbin

But you’ll do your best to block the majority from voting for their candidate?


138 posted on 04/01/2016 1:50:23 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

A majority isn’t voting for any candidate. So try again.


139 posted on 04/01/2016 1:51:49 PM PDT by Durbin
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To: Durbin

OK, plurality


140 posted on 04/01/2016 1:56:29 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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