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Is Trump’s Rise Giving Progressives Second Thoughts?
The National Review ^ | March 16, 2016 | Charles C. W. Cooke

Posted on 03/16/2016 4:19:32 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Herewith, an under-asked question for our friends on the progressive left: “Has Donald Trump’s remarkable rise done anything to change your mind as to the ideal strength of the State?”

I make this inquiry because, for a long while now, I have been of the view that the only thing that is likely to join conservatives and progressives in condemnation of government excess is the prospect that that excess will benefit the Right. Along with their peculiar belief that History takes “sides” and that improvement is inexorable and foreordained, most progressives hold as an article of faith that, because it is now a “consolidated democracy,” the United States is immune from the sort of tyranny of which conservatives like to warn. As such, progressives tend not to buy the argument that a government that can give you everything you want is also a government that can take it all away. For the past four or five years, conservatives have offered precisely this argument, our central contention being that it is a bad idea to invest too much power in one place because one never knows who might enjoy that power next. And, for the past four or five years, these warnings have fallen on deaf, derisive, overconfident ears.

The case that the Right’s cynics have made is a broad one: Inter alia, we have argued that Congress ought to reclaim much of the legal authority that it has willingly ceded to the executive, lest that executive become unresponsive or worse; that, once abandoned, constitutional limits are difficult to resuscitate; that federalism leads not just to better government but to a diminished likelihood that bad actors will be able to inflict widespread damage; and, perhaps most important of all, that far from being a vestige of times past, the Second Amendment remains a vital protection upon which free men may fall should their government turn to iron. In most cases, the reactions to these submissions have been identical: That we are skeptical of power only because we dislike Barack Obama, and that this skepticism will vanish upon the instant when he is replaced by a leader that we prefer.

This response, I’m afraid to say, is entirely miscast. In fact, we have taken these positions because, like all cautious people, we worry what might happen in the days that we cannot yet see. As Edmund Burke memorably put it, a sensible citizen does not wait for an “actual grievance” to intrude upon his liberty, but prefers to “augur misgovernment at a distance; and snuff the approach of tyranny in every tainted breeze.” Barack Obama’s extra-constitutional transgressions have been many and they have been alarming, and I do not regret my opposition to them. But their result, thus far at least, has been the marginal undermining of democracy and not the plain indulgence of evil. Will our executives’ excesses always take that form? Is it wise to appraise our current situation and to conclude that it will obtain for the rest of time?

To listen to the manner in which our friends on the left now talk about Donald Trump is to suspect that it is not. Time and time again, Trump has been compared to Hitler, to Mussolini, to George Wallace, and to Bull Connor. Time and time again, self-described “liberals” have recoiled at the man’s praise for internment, at his disrespect for minorities and dissenters, and at his enthusiasm for torture and for war crimes. Time and time again, it has been predicted — not without merit — that, while Trump would almost certainly lose a general election, an ill-timed recession or devastating terrorist attack could throw all bets to the curb. If one were to take literally the chatter that one hears on MSNBC and the fear that one smells in the pages of the New York Times and of the Washington Post, one would have no choice but to conclude that the progressives have joined the conservatives in worrying aloud about the wholesale abuse of power.

Hence my initial question: Have they? And, if they have, what knock-on effects has that worrying had? Having watched the rise of Trumpism — and, now, having seen the beginning of violence in its name — who out there is having second thoughts as to the wisdom of imbuing our central state with massive power?

That’s a serious, not a rhetorical, question. I would genuinely love to know how many “liberals” have begun to suspect that there are some pretty meaningful downsides to the consolidation of state authority. I’d like to know how many of my ideological opponents saying with a smirk that “it couldn’t happen here” have begun to wonder if it could. I’d like to know how many fervent critics of the Second Amendment have caught themselves wondering whether the right to keep and bear arms isn’t a welcome safety valve after all. Furthermore, I’d like to know if the everything-is-better-in-Europe brigade is still yearning for a parliamentary system that would allow the elected leader to push through his agenda pretty much unchecked; if “gridlock” is still seen as a devastating flaw in the system; if the Senate is still such an irritant; and if the considerable power that the states retain is still resented as before. Certainly, there are many on the left who are mistrustful of government and many on the right who are happy to indulge its metastasis. But as a rule, progressives favor harsher intrusion into our civil society than do their political opposites. Are they still as sure that this is shrewd?

When Peter Beinart warns that Donald Trump is a threat to “American liberal democracy” — specifically to “the idea that there are certain rights so fundamental that even democratic majorities cannot undo them” — he is channeling the conservative case for the Founders’ settlement, and taking square aim at the Jacobin mentality that would, if permitted, remove the remaining shackles that surround and enclose the state. Does he know this? And if he does, is he still as keen as ever to have the federal government spread its powerful wings and cast long shadows across the nation? Does an expansive role for Washington hold the same allure now that there is a possibility that a Trump-like figure could commandeer it? If the answer to these questions is “yes,” I have a modest second inquiry to go along with the first: “What is everybody smoking?”


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To: MNJohnnie

But Trump isn’t inciting riots....

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/273196-trump-predicts-riots-if-hes-not-nominee

..................”I think we’ll win before getting to the convention. And if we’re 20 votes short or if we’re 100 short and we’re at 1,100 and somebody else is at 500 or 400 ... I don’t think you can say that we don’t get it automatically.”

“I think you’d have riots,” Trump continued. “I’m representing ... many, many millions of people, in many cases first-time voters.”

“I wouldn’t lead it, but I think bad things would happen,” Trump predicted, adding later, “After we win, I think a lot of feelings will be soothed.”.................


21 posted on 03/16/2016 5:31:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

National Review = hog wash.


22 posted on 03/16/2016 5:34:14 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: livius
He’s neither socially or politically nor economically conservative.

If what you say is true then I guess the founding fathers weren't conservative either.

Conservatism not tied to nationalism is as dangerous as any socialist political philosophy.

23 posted on 03/16/2016 5:39:35 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Reads like the thieving RINO trotskyites want an alliance with the democrat fascist apes to keep the gravy train rolling.


24 posted on 03/16/2016 5:46:08 AM PDT by sergeantdave ( If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I will not read ANYTHING from NR.


25 posted on 03/16/2016 6:01:47 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: goldstategop
Oops:

"When confronted with the truth that the lazy, welfare queens - the mailbox money voters were Democrats, many Americans woke up to realize that they were small government conservatives and became Reagan Republicans."

26 posted on 03/16/2016 6:02:53 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Pearls before swine around here. This is exactly the point I made to a liberal a couple years ago. They don’t care about limits on power cause they don’t expect to give it up.

Of course, by nominating people like Trump we make it easy for them to assume we will never have power again.


27 posted on 03/16/2016 6:06:26 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: 03A3

Indeed and this opinion piece give way too much credit to the left. Leftists love to call the right hypocrites when in actual fact they are the masters of hypocrisy.


28 posted on 03/16/2016 6:20:14 AM PDT by xp38
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

NR uses a lot of words to disguise the stupidity of their ideas.


29 posted on 03/16/2016 10:42:26 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Who can actually defeat the Democrats in 2016? -- the most important thing about all candidates.)
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To: central_va

Err, the Founding Fathers were not in favor of big government, anointed leaders or any of the other things that Trump appears to believe. Also, they actually wanted trade, which the British forbade, and this was one of the reasons for the American Revolution.


30 posted on 03/16/2016 1:44:13 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius
Err, the Founding Fathers were not in favor of big government, anointed leaders or any of the other things that Trump appears to believe. Also, they actually wanted trade, which the British forbade, and this was one of the reasons for the American Revolution.

They wanted fee Trade so bad the first act passed by the first congress and signed by President Washington was the Tariff Act of 1789. LOL.

31 posted on 03/16/2016 2:02:39 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 03A3

Huh? What else other than the end can possibly justify the means?


32 posted on 03/16/2016 2:48:11 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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