Posted on 02/20/2016 7:11:53 AM PST by Raycpa
The divide between Freeper's in the Trump vs. Cruz battle is more heated than I recall any other divide of Freerepublic. Just about every thread immediately devolves to a nasty fight that carries from one thread to another.
I think we need to be careful with each other because both camps need each other after the primary. Can we just agree to disagree and move on? We have more in common with each other than not.
I've seen posts removed for saying Scalia was the wrong person to be "taken". calling another poster a "b***h and calling long time posters paid operatives and trolls.
This election season seems to have brought emotions to a fever pitch.
I’m a Cruz guy who can envision voting for Trump in the general ( yes but I have serious reservations).
I cannot vote for bush or Kaisich. I might vote for Rubio but he has been a disappointment
Good Post. Thank you and as my tag line states, I REALLY want both of them to end up as the ticket, or at lest unified.
Sorry but as you can see “ “ ’ is under a trademark.
Personally, I see the two candidates you've mentioned as flawed in a lot of ways. Trump is erratic at best and would probably be a huge disappointment to a lot of Freepers simply because he seems to have no core principles. Cruz is smart and has talked a great game in Washington, but it's hard for him to campaign as an outsider when he's made a career in politics.
I got a 3 day suspension on a terry schiavo thread. I was one of her strongest pro life supporters. You are right, it’s widespread now, and I think 2 to 1 Trump over Cruz so Trump has the numbers here, yet I have to give it to the Cruz supporters for the higher level of vitriol. Whatever happened to those FR polls run by Jim in the sidebar?
I permanently support None of the Above, so there is no need for me to go anywhere. :)
If you've ever had to settle an argument between first-graders, you'll know the scene.
Agree. It seems easy to tell who those posters may be. Mid-2015 sign ups and don't do anything other than copy/paste the same comments about Candidate X on every thread. I just stay off the threads in general. I'll vote for either Cruz or Trump when it all comes down to it, so the rest is just noise to me.
Is that the new "Coexist" bumper sticker?
I too have stepped out of the Trump/Cruz threads, and I’ve noticed several long-time posters seem to have done likewise.
So you are ok with vitriol as long as they have been on FR a long time?
“I’m 100% for Trump, but respect Cruz.”
I’m 100% for Trump, but don’t respect Cruz. The dirty tricks, flat-out lies by Cruz and his minions and his revolting preacher act disgust me.
In addition, the behavior of his supporters here is similarly reprehensible. Going by the daily Free Republic caucus, the Trump supporters outnumber the Cruz supporters here more than 2 to 1. Yet the Cruzers routinely, daily, post dozens of anti-Trump threads, parroting every anti-Trump article in the MSM in an attempt to discourage Trump’s followers and bring the man down. That and the charming little names they come up with for Trump supporters makes me think they’re either leftist trolls, or are so far right that they’ve met up with their cousins on the left.
So... no. We CAN’T just all “get along.” I don’t WANT to get along with these people, or even be on the same board with them. Hopefully when / if their candidate loses, they’ll just drift on over to DU so they can all put their great brains together in an attempt to figure out some way to beat Trump in the general election.
Generally, I don’t pay attention to the vicious posts / threads.
I read the news, peruse the commentary, and move on.
My mind’s made up (Cruz... Trump if necessary), so I’m unaffected by the sniping.
Carry on.
Every primary season this place degrades... reality is sadly FR has been slowly degrading as a whole for a long long time, but Primary season always turns into chaos around here.
This season I don’t think is any further from the baseline than ever before, just the baseline is lower to begin with.
There is no doubt that this primary season there are candidates that are tapping some very real emotions, Cruz supporters feel, for the first time in a long time, they have what they consider a “real conservative” in the hunt, and lets be honest, regardless of who you support, that’s not an outrageous assumption. Even in previous primaries, that wing of the party has been woefully represented in the primary race and anyone that could make a claim to it, if anyone, was rapidly out.
Trump Supporters feel they finally have someone who at least hears them, they are the ones harmed by decades of neglect and very bad economic policy, and yes folks, free trade as it has been implemented is horrifically bad economic policy for a free nation. Sure there are those who have won, and huge swaths of people who have lost. If you’ve watched your manufacturing job, or job supporting it, be lost to offshoring, and seen them replaced with low paying service industry jobs, your pensions whiped out, and generally the fundamental promise that if you work hard and honestly you should have a reasonable expectation to not be dirt poor, you have every damned reason to be angry. The political class are modern day stalwarts, they are interesting in protecting a small number of folks who have been successful and wish for the good times for them to keep rolling, regardless of who and how many get hurt.
Lets not kid ourselves, an able bodied hard working person, who shows up for work every day, is trying to raise their family shouldn’t be earning 20k a year or less because the only jobs they can find pay $10 an hour or less driving a local delivery truck around town and be 50 years old, have to have watched their pensions cut, and the system basically screw them over... while in the meantime you have the CEO of Countrywide flagrantly pumping and dumping, and the worst punishment he gets is to cut a check that is less than the amount he stole from everyone else, and at the same time that same government is writing checks to bail out millionaires.... A healthy middle class is ESSENTIAL to a free republic, and the fact is, like it or not, parts of the republican economic policies, as well as the democratic economic policies are destroying this segment of the population.
Trump isn’t arguing a message of ideological conservatism, for that, the Cruz backers hate him, because A) he’s not a “conservative” as they would want, and B) frankly his message of patriotism and putting america first is resonating and stealing voters they feel Cruz could win... so yes they hate him, and the vitriol thrown by some of them is insane.
Trump supporters are emboldened by Trump non PC nonsense as well, so some of them are far more willing to just be flat out tactless and spiteful and mean toward the Cruz backers as well.
The reality is, at the end of the day, when a candidate is chosen, regardless of who it is, most of those tossing around the hate will either come to Jesus or sit it out.
Personally, and this is just me personally, If the nominee is Rubio or Bush or Kasich or some other clear establishment candidate, I will sit it out. I’m tired of pulling the lever and watching them just sell out this nation anyway regardless of who wins.
Cruz, I honestly am on the fence on whether I will show up for him, he’s backed by the same money players as the others, which means regardless of what he says, he’ll do the same things as the rest, because they own him. I do think and have said for a long time, I think he’s tactically running a failed strategy to win, arguing you are the most conservative in and of itself has never won a primary or a national election. I do like Cruz, but his stands on H1B and other things show he just doesn’t get how destructive some of the economic policies of the Republican Party have been and won’t break the cord from the stalwarts when it comes to policy and influence.
Trump, he’s a wildcard, he clearly isn’t beholden directly to anyone else’s money, and he seems genuine in his desire to put America first. Will that happen once in the WH should he win? Who knows, but after Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama, its kid of a hard argument for either wing of the ideological aisle to make any argument that he’s going to be any worse then they have been for the last nearly 30 years.
Have we tried counseling yet??. . . .
Can’t we just all get along?????
Harry Truman and Douglas MacArthur it ain't.
I support Trump at this point because he’s rubbing the left’s collective nose in their PC BS and calling Hillary out. I see it as his purpose to make it about Hillary’s qualifications for office which are non-existent once the FBI does the “big” leak.
I’d rather have Cruz strictly for his conservatism which isn’t in Trump’s vocabulary.
So for now I’ll support Trump to eviscerate Hillary. I want the level of public discourse to be so harsh that Hillary doesn’t think twice about turning tail once she’s presented with the plea bargain.
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