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'Death by GPS' in desert
The Sacramento Bee ^ | January 30, 2011 12:00 AM | Tom Knudson

Posted on 02/11/2016 8:31:39 PM PST by Utilizer

Five harrowing days after becoming stuck on a remote backcountry road in Death Valley National Park in August 2009, Alicia Sanchez lay down next to her Jeep Cherokee and prepared to die.

Then she heard a voice.

"I called as I approached, asking if she was okay," wrote Ranger Amber Nattrass in a park report. "She was waving frantically and screaming, 'My baby is dead, my baby is dead.' "

In the SUV, Nattrass found Sanchez's lifeless 6-year-old son Carlos on the front seat. "She told me they walked 10 miles but couldn't find any help (and) had run out of water and had been drinking their own urine," Nattrass wrote.

"She turned down a wrong road," Nattrass said in a recent interview. "She said she was following her GPS unit."

Danger has long stalked those who venture into California's desert in the heat of summer. But today, with more people pouring into the region, technology and tragedy are mixing in new and unexpected ways.

"It's what I'm beginning to call death by GPS," said Death Valley wilderness coordinator Charlie Callagan. "People are renting vehicles with GPS and they have no idea how it works and they are willing to trust the GPS to lead them into the middle of nowhere."

The number of people visiting Death Valley in the summer, when temperatures often exceed 120 degrees, has soared from 97,000 in 1985 to 257,500 in 2009. That pattern holds at Joshua Tree as well, which recorded 128,000 visitors in the summer of 1988. Last year: 230,000.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Outdoors; Sports
KEYWORDS: gps; gpsfail; recreation; travel
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Yes, relying completely on GPS devices is not recommended.

Even if Death Valley managers now are adding heat danger warnings to dozens of new wayside exhibits...

1 posted on 02/11/2016 8:31:40 PM PST by Utilizer
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To: Utilizer

I never use GPS. Give me a map any day.


2 posted on 02/11/2016 8:34:37 PM PST by Hoodat (Article 4, Section 4)
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To: Hoodat

when I drove a cab, GPS was a lifeline.

When I got lost going to my sisters in NJ, i just talked into my phone, said the address, and the voice directed me there perfectly.

can’t see how a map can beat it.


3 posted on 02/11/2016 8:36:23 PM PST by dp0622
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To: Utilizer

I had a GPS once that kept telling me to go into downtown Oakland. No Way Jose.


4 posted on 02/11/2016 8:36:55 PM PST by Aria (2016: The gravy train v Donald Trump)
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To: Hoodat

You would be shocked if you knew how many people today cannot read a simple map. Unbelievable.


5 posted on 02/11/2016 8:37:05 PM PST by biff
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To: Hoodat

BUT this person did die, so obviously a map can beat a GPS in instances.

and its battery wont die :)


6 posted on 02/11/2016 8:38:02 PM PST by dp0622
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To: dp0622

On the way to my parents house, the GPS tells me to turn left in the middle of a bridge above some railroad tracks. The road to my parents house runs next to the RR tracks, and driving off the bridge might be the shortest route, but not recommended, I’d say.


7 posted on 02/11/2016 8:40:43 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: biff

I learned to read one as a kid, just because we went on so many family road trips. I always wanted to be the “navigator”, so I knew exactly where we were and how long until we got to the next restaurant/hotel/whatever, instead of having to sit there bored asking “are we there yet?”

I bet with GPS so popular, a lot of people never get that kind of experience anymore, unless they are in the scouts or the armed forces or something.


8 posted on 02/11/2016 8:43:25 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: dp0622

In a suburban area maybe a GPS is better than a map. Rural, forest, outdoors and desert areas, I’ll take a map.


9 posted on 02/11/2016 8:44:51 PM PST by Redcitizen
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To: Hoodat

I was camping out in the middle of the California desert with some friends and this group comes along lost as can be. They had been going the wrong way on a dirt road that eventually petered out. They were using a GPS.

We got the map out and showed them the right road and pointed to a range of mountains that was in the direction they wanted to go for further insurance. Hopefully they made it out okay as I did not here of any news.

We did find a dead body on one trip. The guys car got stuck in the sand and he started walking in the absolute wrong direction to find the nearest road.


10 posted on 02/11/2016 8:45:32 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Utilizer

GPS is amazing little device, but I’ve seen it give bad directions twice already.... 99 percent good, yes. 100 percent, no way.
always have a map if you’re going into unfamiliar territory!


11 posted on 02/11/2016 8:45:37 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born, they're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 -- 43 BCE))
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To: dp0622

If you ever have to travel to the Oakland airport in California (for business purposes I would imagine) and decide to drive to an out-of-the-way spot to get a bit a’ tucker because it was recommended to you for some reason, you might wind up transiting through East Side Oakland to get to your next destination.

Not a trip with a guaranteed life-expectancy involved there, especially if you have car troubles. A lowly GPS device does not know to stay away from dangerous areas. It is designed only to get from one point to another in an expeditious manner using the roadways programmed into its memory.

No matter the terrain involved.


12 posted on 02/11/2016 8:46:09 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the muzrims trying to kill them)
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Charlie Callagan. “People are renting vehicles with GPS and they have no idea how it works and they are willing to trust the GPS to lead them into the middle of nowhere.” <<

Charlie..call home..its a rental vehicle..Move back to your parent cellar...Your services are not needed..but thanks for your participation in the experiment.....You check is in the mail.......

13 posted on 02/11/2016 8:47:25 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: smokingfrog

lol!!

the person that said it is good in urban areas, but elsewhere not so much, I think hit it on the head.

for getting around staten island and brooklyn, it was good.

and you dont have time to look at a map for every pickup.

but yeah, in other areas, i’d bet the GPS isn’t quite as useful


14 posted on 02/11/2016 8:48:05 PM PST by dp0622
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To: Utilizer

In the early 1990s when GPS first became available to the public... we bought a handheld unit for our airplane. It had a rudimentary moving map that even showed special use airspace. It was revolutionary for flying. The GPS system was shut down twice while we were flying. I guess that would be almost unheard of these days.

I never flew the plane using the GPS without having a sectional opened up on my knee pad that I followed along with and continued to make notes while we were flying and also tuned in VORs on our NAVCOM radios. I still never rely completely on GPS while flying.


15 posted on 02/11/2016 8:48:40 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Aria

At least you know better. Those from out of the area probably would not. The article goes into more examples, albeit not from an urban environment.

East Side San Jose and East Palo Alto are every bit as bad, I believe, although some would argue as to which is the greater threat. Would not wish to be the one to learn the difference.


16 posted on 02/11/2016 8:48:48 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the muzrims trying to kill them)
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To: Redcitizen

i remember one time, even after living here my whole life, i kept trying to find a road that was blocked by forest.

it finally dawned on me that some streets that were expected to be done by so and so time were on the map.

they were never done :)


17 posted on 02/11/2016 8:49:28 PM PST by dp0622
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To: dp0622

I’m surprised they included Joshua Tree attendance in the figures. The high desert isn’t nearly as deadly as Death Valley, and JT doesn’t seem that easy to get lost in.


18 posted on 02/11/2016 8:49:45 PM PST by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: smokingfrog
At least the GPS isn't in German...

Why is the GPS in German?!?

19 posted on 02/11/2016 8:49:57 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Hoodat

I never use GPS. Give me a map any day.
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You and me both! Reading a map you get a picture in your head and directions, north, east, south, and west. i don’t like GPS. Have used it a few times in Europe. Often tries to send you down the wrong road or tells you to exit the round point at the wrong exit. Only usefulness i can see is in a large city where it is difficult to see street names while driving.


20 posted on 02/11/2016 8:50:04 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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