This really getting old. (Vanity)

[andy1954]

Most on here know by now I am supporting Marco Rubio for the Republican nominee.

In the process I am finding some rather remarkable talking points that are completely useless.

1. Voting for anyone other than Trump or Cruz will cause a permanent democratic majority. This is nonsense and anyone that has participated in this process knows it. 2. Some how Cruz can over come his 'likability' issue in the U.S. Senate and even in his home state (I am a Texan) 3. That Donald Trump really is a conservative. Nonsense. He is totally unpredictable. And really could implode in a General Election Has unfavorably ratings higher than Clinton. 4. Not voting is a valid position to take if Trump or Cruz are not the nominee. That somehow it will show them a lesson or will in the long run help the conservative movement. Hello President Obama. 5. That millions of evangelical Christians and far right conservatives will raise up to support Ted Cruz. I hope I a wrong about this, but it is nonsense in my opinion. Many evangelicals don't vote because of their world view, they just don't think it matters and the earth's days are number anyway. Far right conservatives that 'really' don't vote are not that many. I know there are plenty on this site, but that really is not that many. 6. The immigration issue will hurt us in the General Election. Only if we take such a hard line as Trump that we lose the entire Hispanic vote.

[caww]

Those are the Establishment talking points as well as the assaults by other campaigns as we all know. The Establishment in Washington began these assaults as soon Ted Cruz arrived in Washington when he refused to bow to their agendas....in fact he called them out and revealed them for who they are.

However it is up to voters to decide if they vote substance , consistency and truth...or they ignore the candidates record and go by the shape shifting of these campaigns as the media depicts and frames them according to their agenda of pre-selecting who the voters should vote for.

[Grampa Dave]

Ditto. Rubio is unacceptable to me because he is pro-amnesty. If we had a congress who would stand up to him, I could probably tolerate his waywardness on this issue. However, with spineless RINOs like McConnell and Ryan running things, the gang of 8 immigration plans will have clear sailing. Too bad. He is likeable and young, but amnesty is a major deal-breaker for me.

Mexican Leaders, like Jorge Ramos, would prefer their Rube to be our president!

Rubio promises to keep Obama's executive amnesty for Dreamers:

In a little-noticed interview earlier this year with Univision Jorge Ramos, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) declared that, as President, he would keep Barack Obama executive amnesty for DREAMers in place until it was permanently codified through legislation.

Jorge Ramos is the Univision Open Borders Rectum, who was thrown out of a presser by Trump last year.

breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/02/marco-rubio-jorge-ramos-will-keep-obamas-first-executive-amnesty-place-legislative-amnesty-enacted/

[andy1954]

Well I guess that was a bit presumptuous to say the least. Most of the people I have been talking to in the last couple of months know. Yes, I am a n00b on this site. Years ago I used to talk and post quite a bit. But I grew tired of it for a season. Years ago, new computer and will I just started over. Been messing around in the political scene for many years. I am an old white, bald male, 61 years old. I have heard and seen it all. I am not Trumpbot. He is just not a conservative and I think he could go off at anytime to a place I do not want to go. He is truly scary.

[Grampa Dave]

The Rubio Hand Puppet is owned/controlled/pawned by the Open Borders Elite Thugs!!!!

Rubio swings both ways!

[spel_grammer_an_punct_polise]

Formatting is your friend!

1. Voting for anyone other than Trump or Cruz will cause a permanent democratic majority. This is nonsense and anyone that has participated in this process knows it.

2. Some how Cruz can over come his ‘likability’ issue in the U.S. Senate and even in his home state (I am a Texan)

3. That Donald Trump really is a conservative. Nonsense. He is totally unpredictable. And really could implode in a General Election Has unfavorably ratings higher than Clinton.

4. Not voting is a valid position to take if Trump or Cruz are not the nominee. That somehow it will show them a lesson or will in the long run help the conservative movement. Hello President Obama.

5. That millions of evangelical Christians and far right conservatives will raise up to support Ted Cruz. I hope I a wrong about this, but it is nonsense in my opinion. Many evangelicals

don’t vote because of their world view, they just don’t think it matters and the earth’s days are number anyway. Far right conservatives that ‘really’ don’t vote are not that many. I know there are plenty on this site, but that really is not that many.

6. The immigration issue will hurt us in the General Election. Only if we take such a hard line as Trump that we lose the entire Hispanic vote.

[andy1954]

No those where my talking points. I don’t even know who the hell the establishment is these days.

[STARLIT]

I’ve been here for around 11 years, who do I like?

[andy1954]

Thank you.

[Yosemitest]

A little study on formatting can go a long way to help reader comprehension.

In the process I am finding some rather remarkable talking points that are completely useless.

1. Voting for anyone other than Trump or Cruz will cause a permanent democratic majority.
This is nonsense
and anyone that has participated in this process knows it.

2. Some how Cruz can over come his 'likability' issue in the U.S. Senate and even in his home state
(I am a Texan)

3. That Donald Trump really is a conservative.
Nonsense.
He is totally unpredictable.
And really could implode in a General Election
Has unfavorably ratings higher than Clinton.

4. Not voting is a valid position to take if Trump or Cruz are not the nominee.
That somehow it will show them a lesson
or will in the long run help the conservative movement.
Hello President Obama.

5. That millions of evangelical Christians and far right conservatives will raise up to support Ted Cruz.
I hope I a wrong about this, but it is nonsense in my opinion.
Many evangelicals don't vote because of their world view,
they just don't think it matters and the earth's days are number anyway.
Far right conservatives that 'really' don't vote are not that many.
I know there are plenty on this site, but that really is not that many.

6. The immigration issue will hurt us in the General Election.
Only if we take such a hard line as Trump that we lose the entire Hispanic vote.

Now my response is

Voting for Trump .... IS voting for a SOCIALIST DemocRAT ... that's PRETENDING TO BE a Republican.

And voting for Marco "Gang of Eight PRO-AMNESTY BILL" Rubio IS no better !
Here's a few FACTS about Marco "Gang of Eight PRO-AMNESTY BILL" Rubio.

Rubio's immigration bill would have tripled the issuances of green cards, doubled the dispensation of foreign worker visas, and granted citizenship
- - and, thereby, welfare access and voting privileges - - to illegal immigrants.
... Moreover, Rubio was also able to successfully strike down all conservative amendments to the Gang of Eight's proposal.

Sen. Rubio cast the 60th and deciding vote to fast-track the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement.
By giving President Obama fast-track powers, Rubio essentially helped to ensure the passage of not only the TPP,
but all subsequent trade pacts,
which are now liberated from Senate filibuster, amendment process, and constitutional treaty vote.
... Moreover, Rubio was also successful in promoting foreign currency manipulation
by helping to vote down a provision to crack down on the illicit practice that had been proposed by Ohio Republican Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH).

Rubio told Sean Hannity he'd "hate" to block funding for Obama's refugees, and suggested that curbs on Muslim migration would be unconstitutional.
This pro mass-migration offensive helped give Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) the space he needed to wave in a vast new group of Muslim migrants.
Rubio has been one of the most ardent champions for increasing Muslim migration.
The U.S. has admitted roughly 1.5 million migrants from Muslim countries since 9/11 on a permanent lifetime basis.
Yet Rubio has sought to grow that number vastly.
In 2015, Rubio introduced an immigration bill which would have allowed for an unlimited increase in Muslim migration.

... Shortly before the Disney workers got the axe, Rubio introduced legislation in January of 2015 to massively expand the H-1B program. Rubio's 2015 Immigration Innovation Act would have tripled the number of H-1B visas.
Interestingly, the bill was endorsed by Disney's CEO Bob Iger via his immigration lobbying group, the Partnership for a New American Economy.
According to Open Secrets, the Walt Disney Corporation is one of Rubio's biggest financial backers, having donated more than $2 million.
Unfortunately, Rubio's success in protecting his corporate backers' ability to increase their bottom line has gone virtually unreported in the corporate media.
This perhaps explains why so few are able to list his Senatorial achievements.

... In 2011, Marco Rubio voted against a Republican proposal
which the Congressional Budget Office projected would save the U.S. government $10 billion
by reining in the abuse of the food stamp program.
The measure was backed by almost all Republicans and opposed by virtually all Democrats.
The measure, as Sen. Jeff Sessions explained when he proposed it, would have eliminated what is known as the "categorical eligibility" for food stamps,
which makes people "automatically eligible" to receive government benefits even if that household has "substantial assets."
Rubio was one of only seven Republicans to oppose the measure, but his no vote helped stall momentum for food stamp reform - - which remains elusive.

... Sen. Rubio gave his "enthusiastic support of the Barack Obama/Hillary Clinton intervention in Libya."
Indeed, as the Washington Examiner wrote at the time in a piece entitled "Rubio takes the lead to support Obama's war in Libya."
"Rubio proposes that the Senate authorize the president's use of force in Libya,
and that the authorization state that
the aim of the use of force should be the removal of the Qaddafi regime,"

Sen. Rubio has amassed one of the worst attendance records in the Senate, which is quite an achievement.
The Washington Post writes,
"Since the beginning of the year, Marco Rubio has cast votes about two-thirds of the time he could have - - the worst attendance of any senator seeking a presidential nomination."
The Sun Sentinel editorial board noted,
"Rubio has missed more votes than any other senator this year.
His seat is regularly empty for floor votes, committee meetings and intelligence briefings.
He says he's MIA from his J-O-B because he finds it frustrating and wants to be president, instead ... "

Marco "Gang of Eight PRO-AMNESTY BILL" Rubio has many accomplishments, of which, he can be proud of NONE OF THEM !

[Dallas59]

What we need:

1. Jobs

2. A strong military.

3. Energy independence that lasts.

4. Government out peoples business.

[don-o]

Why are you asking me?

[X-spurt]

Well I’m in Louie Gohmert territory and Cruz has gone up here and every part of Texas I visit.

Like another posted noted, Cruz is polling better in Floridah than Rubio or Yeb.

Count on pushing your guy’s positives. No one is ever sold on a negative about competition, especially an imaginary one.

[central_va]

1. A wall and a crack down on illegal and legal immigration.

[Fantasywriter]

Excellent points. I did read that Rubio gives the exact same stump speech at all his events. That would be uninspiring at best.

Still there is something strange about his repetitions. Clearly when he starts into one he doesn’t realize he’s repeating something he just said. When it registers, he doesn’t do the political, ‘yes, I’m repeating myself, but this is important,’ routine. If allowed, he just plows on.

I suspect its tied to the water sipping. He’s nervous, and for some reason the repetitions calm him. When I said benign Tourettes, I was joking. My OCD comment, however, was quite serious.

[don-o]

I hate your formatting.

Been wanting to say that for a long time.

I scroll past your posts as fast as my scroll will scroll.

fwiw

[kingu]

6. The immigration issue will hurt us in the General Election. Only if we take such a hard line as Trump that we lose the entire Hispanic vote.

Utter fiction. And unlike you, rather than making unsupported statements, I will provide direct electorate evidence:

Proposition 227, California (1988), ending bilingual education passed by a massive margin 61.2% to 38.7%, with majorities in virtually every demographic.

Proposition 187, California (1994), ending benefits for illegals also passed with a wide margin, 58.9% to 41.0%, with the only holdout area of the state being the San Francisco bay area.

Of course, most of it was gutted by the courts.

Defending the laws is one place where Republicans usually shine in elections; those who are promoting that viewpoint have been leaders in the Republican field and in national polling.

[Hoodat]

That is BS.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Most on here know by now I am supporting Marco Rubio for the Republican nominee.

You have been a member for less then three months. I think it is safe to say that most on here have not the slightest idea who you are much less who you are supporting for the nominee.

[Dallas59]

A BIG Ellis Island.

[spel_grammer_an_punct_polise]

Now here is my response to your post:

The thing that bothers me about Rubio:

01. ) Whenever he is going to be interviewed on one of the MSM talk shows, he gets this ridiculous, phony smile on his face like it is frozen there. I do not know about anyone else but to me it shows insincerity. The frozen smile on his face is not genuine.

02. ) Pro-amnesty. No way, Jose!