Posted on 01/22/2016 5:42:14 PM PST by Dallas59
/rant There's no such thing as voting "against." It's only in your imagination.
YOU HAVE TO LIE about Norm (and me), War Criminal, in order justify your own vote for a functional Democrat, Roman.
Be proud of yourself. You're a Republican.
WRONG assessment and in fact, a lie. A Republican voting for a functional Democrat Republican in the general is voting to turn the Republican party hard left.
THAT is a correct assessment and in fact, the truth.
Face up to it.
Voting "against" is imaginary.
You only ever get to vote "for."
Even if you vote "against" a proposition X, you are voting for saying no to that proposition.
You didn't vote for proposition Y, you voted FOR saying no to proposition X.
If you voted "against" Obama by voting for Romney, the only thing you did was vote for Romney. PERIOD. YOu didn't vote "against" a frikkin' thing because there's no such thing.
BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT YOU VOTE FOR. The only thing that "voting against" means is that you don't want to be accountable for what you're voting for.
Failure (really, unwillingness) to accept the reality that there's no such thing as voting "against," is HOW WE GOT INTO THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
You know what is going to happen if Republicans keep voting "against" Democrats instead of voting for conservatism? WE WILL KEEP MOVING LEFT BECASUE THAT IS WHAT WE ARE VOTING FOR in order to vote "against."
I refuse to take any crap from Democrats about Trump, because every candidate they’ve run for 50 years has been worse.
I’m all about getting Cruz the nomination right now, but there worse things than Trump to consider in the long term.
And if Romney had won and the Republican party was spearheading nationalized health care, on-demand abortion, gay marriage/adoption "rights," environmentalism, and activist judges, it wouldn't be Democrats who gave it to us, it would be REPUBLICANS who voted for it. YOU would deserve the blame, that is if you voted for Romney.
People who claim to vote "against" only mean that they refuse to be accountable for what they voted FOR.
You are so wrong, stubborn, emotional, and self-pitying. YES self-pitying, blaming everyone but yourself for the leftism you voted FOR embracing. You voted for Romney -- you voted for embracing leftism and you are still in denial.
It's just pathetic.
Well said. Bravo. I’m with you.
What Norm is talking about is being accountable for want you vote FOR and to STOP with the happy self-delusion that you didn't vote for leftist Romney, not really, and you didn't vote for a TV host for Republican president who himself has never voted in a Republican primary (something I have been doing for 40 years), you voted against the Democrat. When in truth, the only thing you did was for FOR whoever it is you voted for. PERIOD.
I only vote for what I want to win, and so does Norm. For a long time, I voted the way YOU still vote, IAM, and therefore, I am partly responsible for getting us into this mess. There is no "waiting on other people to come around to my way of thinking."
There is ONLY being accountable for what you vote for.
+10
I am still here, and I still agree like I did back then... but I am sitting in the bleachers this time. Sadly, our like minded FRiends last time are divided in half this time :/, so I am keeping silent for a change :p
Exactly :p
HELL YES!!!!!!! Turn out and VOTE for your favorite in the PRIMARY!! Then WHOEVER the Republican nominee is, get behind that person and work like hell to get that person elected prez.
The alternative is hillary robbem klipem or the socialist.
A dead possum mashed flat and baked in the hot summer sun would be better than ANY dim-0!!
Regarding this notion of voting for only what you want to win, and taking responsibility, I disagree with your characterizations. It isn't just what you vote for. Its what you vote for AND what you vote against, rolled up into your one vote. Voting on principle for somebody who will never get the majority of votes and win means a compromise candidate lost and the bad guy won, both outcomes your responsibility. Compromising and voting for somebody with less of your principals, who manages to get the majority of votes means your guy won (though he is a lessor guy) and the bad guy lost, both your responsibility. You helped drive the bad guy from office by accepting something less than what you wanted. But if you didn't compromise, that could never happen and the bad guy wins every time. I would rather take credit for getting a bad guy out of office by electing a marginal guy than see the bad guy remain in office by voting for a principled guy who never stands a chance of winning (because of the whims of the electorate). Of course, I'm talking general elections, NOT primaries. I'm voting Cruz up to the point that it is too late, then jumping to Trump I suppose to not see the bad guy (Hilldabeast) win. And you're wrong about my voting history. I vote libertarian and Constitution Party and other 3rd parties most of the time in generals, but Obama was an abomination and I had to let my principals down to the floor to (unsuccessfully) see him out of office. You are responsible for Obama. I would have been responsible for a RINO had they won, but they didn't.
Missed addressing Norm in my reply (#134)
Used to be a time here on FR when even folks that were on the same “side” as you would CONDEMN what you posted. They had pride and character and would not want to be associated with such garbage.
Sadly, FR becomes more like you everyday.
Shallow-minded taunting...smh.
Don’t post dirty pictures on Free Republic !!
Seriously, I will vote but with a heavy heart if Trump gets the nomination as I neither like him nor trust him.
His entire credential as far as I’m concerned: Better than Hillary or Bernie.
Nah...My votes went to McCain and Romney...I was not voting FOR them, because neither was a good choice, but it damned sure was a vote AGAINST Obama.
I will a friend of mine explain it more clearly...
Whenever election time rolls around and the candidates are less than perfect (which is every time), there is a debate between those who refuse to support the "lesser of two evils" and those who insist that we must to prevent the greater evil. Here's my take.
The problem isn't necessarily voting for the "lesser evil," per se. In any dichotomous choice, there will always be two choices that can be presented as a greater and lesser evil, but that doesn't mean that both are evil or we can never choose either. The question is whether we are actually supporting evil or merely getting less good than some ideal.
In a choice between Jesus and the Apostle Paul for your pastor, would it be accurate to describe Jesus as the lesser of two evils just because he's the better option? Clearly not. Yet some take every choice between two options, label it a choice between evils and refuse to choose either. This is faulty reasoning.
On the other hand, in a choice between Hitler and Stalin, both are so evil that you must choose neither. It's not because you can't choose the "lesser evil" but because you cannot support evil.
We must be careful not to let an unattainable ideal become the enemy of the real good we can achieve now. Imperfection and flaws don't necessarily constitute evil that we can't support. If we refuse to support anyone unless we get everything we want, we are contributing to the greater evil by refusing to stand against it where we have a chance of stopping it.
But on the other hand, whoever we support must have some redeeming quality and not be of such horrible moral character that we would contributing to evil in supporting him, even if he is less evil than the alternative. There has to be some minimum standard in place, not merely that we will support anyone as long as the alternative is worse. Sometimes you have to take a stand even when the odds are against you because to do otherwise is to collude with evil. Wisdom is knowing where to draw the line.
Keep voting for losers and then keep bitching about having Dems rule over you! We have 4 more years to hear your complaints.
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