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Polish archaeologists discovered an unknown temple of Hatshepsut
Science in Poland ^ | October 26, 2015 | PAP - Science and Scholarship in Poland

Posted on 01/01/2016 11:28:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv

Cut in the rock and consisting of two rooms, the walls of which are covered with poorly preserved decoration and hieroglyphic inscriptions: a team of archaeologists working under the auspices of the Polish Centre of Mediterranean Archaeology of the University of Warsaw started research in the ancient temple at Gebelein in Upper Egypt.

This place was already known to the local authorities, but so far no archaeologist has studied it. Previous researchers could have been discouraged by the poor condition of the decorations. This year's results of Polish research were surprising...

Detailed studies of reliefs and inscriptions, made by Daniel Takács, yielded sensational results, dating the construction of the temple and the first phase of decoration to the reign of the queen, whose name the ancients wanted to erase from history. It was Hatshepsut (fifteenth century BC). The presence of her depictions is indicated, among others, by fragments of preserved hieroglyphic inscription containing the feminine word endings. The context in which the cartouche (oval box, in which the ancient Egyptians placed the names of the Pharaohs) is located indicates that it contained the name of this queen.

(Excerpt) Read more at scienceinpoland.pap.pl ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: 18thdynasty; catastrophism; egypt; godsgravesglyphs; hatshepsut
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1 posted on 01/01/2016 11:28:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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for later:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-12/uot-bsf121415.php

http://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2015/12/29/956666/remains-of-stone-age-hunters-found-in-western-iran

http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/IsraelExperience/History/Pages/Ancient-farmstead-and-monastery-exposed-in-Rosh-Ha-Ayin-30-December-2015.aspx

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34956067

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/177760/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/New-discovery-in-Qantara-West-suggests-date-of-ori.aspx


2 posted on 01/01/2016 11:29:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: SunkenCiv

you sort of force me at 61+ to continue learning. For that i thank you.


3 posted on 01/01/2016 11:59:14 PM PST by wiggen (#JeSuisCharlie)
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To: SunkenCiv
Detailed studies of reliefs and inscriptions, made by Daniel Takács,

Polish names are sometimes hard to pronounce.

;-)

4 posted on 01/02/2016 12:31:11 AM PST by Does so (Europeans had better start "overstaying their visas" in the USA. ==8-O)
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To: Does so

;’) True.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/3378894/posts


5 posted on 01/02/2016 3:53:37 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: wiggen
My pleasure!

6 posted on 01/02/2016 3:53:59 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

7 posted on 01/02/2016 3:54:19 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: 75thOVI; Abathar; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; ...

One of *those* topics.


8 posted on 01/02/2016 3:54:50 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Hatshepsut (sp?) is one candidate for being a ruler during the time of Moses. By that theory, her son and successor, Thutmose III, later was busy raiding Canaan to replenish the supply of slaves who were lost to the Exodus.

(But that’s only one possible theory.)


9 posted on 01/02/2016 4:04:37 AM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: SunkenCiv

Egypt ping!


10 posted on 01/02/2016 4:11:12 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Just in time for the Primaries...A Female Pharaoh.

Next thing you know, they will discover that Queen Hatshepsut suffered from cankles.


11 posted on 01/02/2016 5:53:39 AM PST by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: left that other site

Can not compare Hatshepsut with Hillary—the Egyptian got things done-—Hillary just talks and takes credit for other peoples successes.


12 posted on 01/02/2016 7:10:53 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: SunkenCiv

I wonder where the lighting system that allowed all these carvings of hieroglyphs and paintings went? Did the Egyptians move the systems from tomb to tomb?

The photos demonstrate how dark it was when the work was done, and hand-held oil lamps is the best we can surmise?


13 posted on 01/02/2016 10:30:00 AM PST by wildbill (If you check behind the shower curtain for a murderer, and find one.... what's your plan?)
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To: wildbill

If I recall correctly there were often mirror systems - burnished copper/bronze I think - used to reflect lights into these as they were constructed as well. I’d imagine those were expensive and transported from place to place as needed.

and then the lamps and likely braziers.


14 posted on 01/02/2016 10:37:00 AM PST by reed13k (w)
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To: reed13k; wildbill; SunkenCiv
I've often wondered how they provided sufficient light and air into the tombs for the elaborate wall decorations. And in the Lescaux caves as well.

Regardless of the type of available fuel of that era, all would have generated various quantities of soot or lampblack which could be expected to rise to the ceilings. Which is not evident in the highly decorated ceiling in the above photo.

It appears as the niche soffit in the image below which seems to show such lampblack, but absent a descriptor we're left to speculate.

Another example of what might be lampblack on a very low ceiling.

The other problem is getting sufficient air into the chambers to both feed the combustion and provide for the artisans breathing.

Any system of reflectors is limited in the distance between light source andcwork surface, light intensity drop off, square of distancecand all that. Try it with a candle and a silvered mirror, better than anything available then, and you'll understand the problem in the high spaces.

I find the cave drawings a far more interesting problem because aside from being in pitch black spaces, they are also high, beyond human reach without some aid, rude scaffold maybe. At any rate some construction skills seem necessary but not evident from the drawings themselves or recovered artifacts. Interesting points to ponder and chat about.

15 posted on 01/02/2016 11:11:35 AM PST by Covenantor (Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern - Chesterton)
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To: wildbill; Covenantor

The Egyptians used copper and bronze mirrors to reflect the ample sunlight available outside.

The cave paintings were lit by some sort of firelight, and it wouldn’t surprise me to learn they’d figured out candlemaking that long ago, they certainly had enough fat available from megafauna kills.


16 posted on 01/02/2016 12:03:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: left that other site

Just a weird coincidence. ;’) The TV shows “Veep” and “Madame Secretary” are just coincidences as well.


17 posted on 01/02/2016 12:05:58 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: SunkenCiv; reed13k

That theory about mirrors has been demonstrated to be false. The laws of physics on light simply don’t permit the theory to work to any distance within a tomb.

I’ve seen some small (around 4” in circumference)containers that were supposed to be oil lamps, but the length of time they would work would be very limited. And if you’ve ever been down deep into a pyramid (like the one at Chichen Itza that is open to tourists) you know that the supply of fresh air is limited as well.

Still, if you have unlimited time and shifts of workers, I suppose you can accept that. Dogged fellows those Egyptians.


18 posted on 01/02/2016 1:20:45 PM PST by wildbill (If you check behind the shower curtain for a murderer, and find one.... what's your plan?)
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To: SunkenCiv

Oh yes...just a coinkidink.

And the new Battlestar Galactica too.


19 posted on 01/02/2016 1:58:56 PM PST by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: CondorFlight
Hatshepsut was the Biblical Queen of Sheba; the destination port in her voyage to 'Punt' (God's Land) is given in her own acc't, and it syncs with the name of the father of the port official given in a slightly later spot in the OT.
[Theses for the Reconstruction of Ancient History]
44. A preliminary expedition dispatched by Hatshepsut to prepare the way for the main expedition, was met by Peruha, the biblical Paruah, governor of Ezion-Geber.
45. The correction of the verses I Kings 4, 16-17 which place Aloth in the domain of the son of Paruah, is well founded.
50. Gifts were also presented to Hatshepsut by messengers of Hiram. [and older contemporary of Solomon]

20 posted on 01/02/2016 1:59:02 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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