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Did Egypt's Old Kingdom Die -- or Simply Fade Away?
National Geographic ^
| December 24, 2015
| Andrew Lawler
Posted on 12/28/2015 4:46:55 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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12/28/2015 4:46:55 AM PST
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SunkenCiv
To: SunkenCiv
They discovered socialism
To: SunkenCiv
There are a thousand-odd cultures, societies, or lands that faded away....each for a different reason. In the cases of most....they simply transformed into something more or something lesser.
In the case of Egypt’s Kingdom....they needed to be able to take on any invader or threat, and they simply didn’t have the power to ensure that.
I also think commercial power (banking, trade, wealth, etc) eventually grew to be a weakness in their case. Rome stayed in a strong state as long as they were the central theme for all trade in the region. When they lost their ownership and control....they weren’t able to stay in control.
To: SunkenCiv; All
I was actually thinking about "Ancient" Egypt last night. 3000 years. 30 centuries. 3 millinea. Add 2000 more years of foundation building.
What will our mark on humanity be?
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12/28/2015 4:55:56 AM PST
by
j.argese
(/s tags: If you have a mind unnecessary. If you're a cretin it really doesn't matter, does it?)
To: SunkenCiv
My love’s bigger than a Cadillac.
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12/28/2015 5:00:42 AM PST
by
ClearCase_guy
(I don't know what Claire Wolfe is thinking but I know what I am thinking.)
the current article is about the global warming hoax -- the hoaxters have to deny that climate disaster has ever been a natural event.
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12/28/2015 5:01:03 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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12/28/2015 5:01:09 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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12/28/2015 5:01:12 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
To: pepsionice
the rest of the world changed
the old kingdom did not
it succombed to exterior change
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12/28/2015 5:05:31 AM PST
by
bert
((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump.)
To: jsanders2001
They appointed a “Kenyan” Pharaoh.
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12/28/2015 5:36:03 AM PST
by
Don Corleone
("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
To: j.argese
I listened to an audible book on ancient Egypt earlier this year. The first kingdom was extremely conservative and resisted any and all progress. Because of this, they succeeded as a civilization for thousands of years. Conservatism and belief in tried and true methods of structuring society works. Modern liberalism destroys civilization, pure and simple. We are living through the modern version of the decline of the Old Kingdom.
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12/28/2015 5:54:21 AM PST
by
ProtectOurFreedom
(For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not, no explanation is possible)
To: SunkenCiv
Death by sclerosis happens an awful lot more frequently than the apocalypse.
To: bert; j.argese; pepsionice; SunkenCiv
bert:
"the rest of the world changed,the old kingdom did not, it succombed to exterior change" Not the Old Kingdom.
Including the Early Dynastic period, the Old Kingdom lasted nearly 1,000 years -- from BC 3,150 to 2,181.
It was brought down not by foreign invasion, but by 50+ years of severe climate change (all those SUVs & coal power plants, donchaknow!).
This resulted in over 100 years of civil war (so the records say) finally ended by Pharoh Mentuhotep II, who ascended the Theban throne in 2055 B.C. beginning the 500 year Middle Kingdom.
So, let's see... how old is our free republic, 240 years?
What do you suppose are the odds we'll last even half as long as Egypt's Old Kingdom?
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12/28/2015 5:56:34 AM PST
by
BroJoeK
(a little historical perspective...)
To: SunkenCiv
Professor of Egyptology?
To: ProtectOurFreedom
“The first kingdom was extremely conservative and resisted any and all progress.”
Progress isn’t a thing one should proudly resist. (this is not to be confused with “progressivism”)
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12/28/2015 6:10:47 AM PST
by
DesertRhino
("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
To: ProtectOurFreedom
I would not put much stock in such conclusions about the Old Kingdom. What little we know comes from Upper Egypt. What we do not know lies in Lower Egypt (Giza and so forth) which is buried under hundreds of feet of Nile mud.
We do not know, for instance, the actual progression of Pharaohs as the Kings List is an old forgery, but is used nonetheless for official dating. Many Pharaohs had different names during their reigns, many of those names were identical to the names of Pharaohs which came before or proceeded them; some names are historically unknown, while others appear out of place on the List; a very confusing state of affairs.
Then there is the whole culture/societal situation. We think in linear and logical ways. They did not. They thought more along the lines of what we call symbolic thinking - radically different. To attribute features of Western civilization and thought like ‘progress’, ‘liberalism’, and ‘conservatism’ to them is to make them like us which they were not; a god to them was not an actual being, but a symbol of a particular train of thought or situation.
It goes on. They are a very fascinating people who may or may not be who they are currently believed to be. The whole of Egyptology and particularly the Old Kingdom is in turmoil, despite the heavy handedness of certain authority figures to keep the lid on as they have a lot invested in the current historical linear model of those times.
Egyptian archaeology is rigidly controlled by those individuals and by the Egyptian government so as to not rock the boat. This means that only those archaeologists and historians which are state approved may do research within the country, and even then some areas seem to be out of bounds, or permission given is revoked at the last minute for no particular reason.
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12/28/2015 6:23:12 AM PST
by
PIF
(They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
To: SunkenCiv
From the article: climate data revealed that a severe and long-term drought afflicted the region during this same time, providing evidence of an environmental trigger
_________________________________________________________
Man made global warming. Obviously.
To: SunkenCiv
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posted on
12/28/2015 6:33:41 AM PST
by
bmwcyle
(People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
To: PIF
Thanks...quite insightful.
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12/28/2015 6:51:06 AM PST
by
ProtectOurFreedom
(For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not, no explanation is possible)
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12/28/2015 6:56:38 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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