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New Orleans considers removing Confederate monuments
AP ^ | Dec. 16, 2015 | CAIN BURDEAU

Posted on 12/16/2015 3:22:25 PM PST by PROCON


NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- New Orleans is poised to make a sweeping break with its Confederate past as city leaders decide whether to remove prominent monuments from some of its busiest streets.

With support from Mayor Mitch Landrieu, a majority on the City Council appears ready to take down four monuments, including a towering statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee. Their ordinance has sparked passionate responses for and against these symbols, and both sides will get one more say at a special council meeting before Thursday's vote.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Local News; Society
KEYWORDS: 201512; 2016election; bamyanbuddhas; bobbyjindal; confederacy; election2016; landrieu; liberalagenda; louisiana; memoryhole; mitchlandrieu; neworleans; robertelee; taliban
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To: PROCON
I did not know that. But it comes as no surprise. It is all part and parcel of Obama’s fundamental transforming of the United States of America. As it becomes safer to show one's true feelings, you will see more and more politicians agreeing with his policies and philosophy. And more voters also, for that matter.

As someone I was in a conversation said to me about the 2008 election: "I have two nieces that voted for the first time this election. I asked them. if you don't mind telling me, Who did you vote for? Both answered, Obama. I asked, Why? One responded, I wanted to say that I voted for the first Black man that ran for President. The other answered, I wanted to make a difference." That was back in 2009 and things have only gotten worse since then. And I don't know if this helps you to understand what is happening or not. But, there are a hell of a lot that think as these girls think. Probably about 51% 0f the population. By November of 16, it will be 55 or 56% as the colleges and high schools will have graduated several classes between 2009 and 2016.

101 posted on 12/18/2015 6:26:16 AM PST by sport
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To: central_va; rockrr
central_va: "Yes or No you loser."

Yes or No you loser.

102 posted on 12/18/2015 7:56:44 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: central_va; PROCON; rockrr
central_va: "The Lincoln Coven here on Free Republic really doesn't have problem with this removal thing.
They pay lips service to history but they are in total agreement with the NOLA city council in this matter."

As a brain-dead Lost Causer, you have no clue -- zero -- what any alleged "Lincoln coven" might think.

You can only assume the worst, and hurl insults.

Brain-dead.

103 posted on 12/18/2015 8:02:26 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

Pick one coward, make a stand.


104 posted on 12/18/2015 9:41:57 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BroJoeK
As a brain-dead Lost Causer, you have no clue -- zero -- what any alleged "Lincoln coven" might think. You can only assume the worst, and hurl insults. Brain-dead.

Deny it then and I will stand down.

105 posted on 12/18/2015 9:42:44 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va; rockrr; x
central_va: "Deny it then and I will stand down."

Deny what? Removing Confederate statues?
I think it's idiotic, stupid, political correctness run-amuck, very much akin to Taliban destroying statues of Buddha in Afghanistan.

I have no problem with honoring Confederates, or flying Confederate flags -- there are Confederate flags flying on houses near my home in central Pennsylvania, and on pickup trucks, usually side by side with US flags.

Indeed, I'd ask you to consider two different situations:

  1. One insane pro-Confederate murders Christians in church, at Wednesday evening Bible study, and as a result: Confederate flags, monuments and even building names are removed all over the South.
    Nobody condones the murders, nobody claims it was in some worthy cause -- doesn't matter, "off with their heads" for Confederate monuments.

  2. Two lunatic Muslims murder 14 Americans at a Christmas party and as a result, the whole Left media establishment goes into "don't be Islamophobe" mode.
    The murderers are recognized and honored by radical Islamic terrorists, but we are verboten to connect any dots.

What's wrong with this picture?

106 posted on 12/19/2015 2:35:11 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: mac_truck
One further thought about why the Civil War US Army might have offered an option to those convicted rapists from the 159th New York Regiment to stay in the Army through the end of the war rather than serve their court-imposed sentences for the crime.

Lincoln had issued a call for three-year enlistments on May 3, 1861 [Source: Link], and many of the thousands who enlisted in response to his call might choose to leave the Army and not reenlist when their three year period was up in May or June of 1864. The Provost Court sentenced the men from the 159th in March 1864. The Army might have thought it in their best interest to retain all the soldiers they could, including in this case, convicted rapists, to offset the men who might leave at the end of their three-year enlistment.

107 posted on 12/19/2015 11:38:02 AM PST by rustbucket
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To: BroJoeK

Deny you feel it would have been better and justice served if Lee ad Davis would have been hanged for treason. Yes or No. Quit dodging the question.


108 posted on 12/20/2015 7:14:57 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
central_va: "Deny you feel it would have been better and justice served if Lee ad Davis would have been hanged for treason.
Yes or No.
Quit dodging the question."

I've dodged nothing, have answered your questions more than once, at great length.

To repeat: the US Constitution defines "treason", authorizes Congress to set penalties and provides for presidential pardons.

After the Civil War, RE Lee was not arrested or punished in any way, excepting denied the right to vote.
Jefferson Davis was arrested and indicted for treason, held in confinement for two years and then released on $100,000 bail (paid by wealthy Northerners like Horace Greely, Cornelius Vanderbilt and Gerrit Smith), before receiving blanket amnesty-pardon from President Johnson on December 28, 1868.

My opinion is that is exactly the way such matters should have been handled.
I also have no problem with Southern towns raising up monuments to their Confederate heroes.

And, just as I noted before, after the war most of those Confederate leaders, including Davis, urged their fellow Southerners to remain loyal to the United States.
That seems to me far more valuable to the nation, and to justice itself, than any possible satisfaction taken from seeing those leaders hanged.

Short answer: yes, I agree with President Andrew Johnson's blanket pardons of all Confederate leaders.

109 posted on 12/20/2015 7:59:25 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

You are dodging the question, again.


110 posted on 12/20/2015 11:53:06 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
central_va: "You are dodging the question, again."

No, you don't like my answer, so you pretend I've "dodged" something.

111 posted on 12/20/2015 1:37:30 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: PROCON

I HATE LIBERALS


112 posted on 12/20/2015 1:40:50 PM PST by jersey117
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To: BroJoeK

You are incapable of saying yes or no, why? Coward.


113 posted on 12/20/2015 5:36:58 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
central_va: "You are incapable of saying yes or no, why? Coward."

My answer is as clear as the nose on your face, you're just afraid to see it. Coward.

114 posted on 12/21/2015 3:02:24 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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