Health warning for all Freepers using the Baking Soda / Dakin's Solution Oral Hygiene Protocol

Vanity from Swordmaker | September 26, 2014 | Swordmaker

[Swordmaker]

IMPORTANT! HEALTH WARNING!

FOR ALL FREEPERS WHO HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE BAKING SODA AND CLOROX-DAKIN'S SOLUTION PROTOCOL FOR ORAL HYGIENE AND TOOTH BRUSHING!!!

The CLOROX Company has changed its basic Clorox formula to make it "concentrated" but has ALSO added LAUNDRY chemicals!

I just went to the Clorox™ website because I noticed the "concentrated" label on that bottle you linked to and it worried me. . . I wanted to check what the concentration of Sodium Hypochlorite was in their "concentrated" product. . . and to my horror I learned that Clorox has CHANGED their entire product line. . . and their cap coding too!!!!

Clorox has just CHANGED all the formulas for CLOROX!!!!! They have tossed out the good old stand-by that has been a century old and replaced it with JUNK New formula with adulterations!!! They are also using the SAME COLOR CAP ON EVERY VARIETY!!!!!! They've thrown the baby out with the bathwater. I would NOT, REPEAT NOT!!! use any CLOROX product for hygienic use on the human body until further notice!!!!!

All of their Clorox Bleach Products now are being sold with the same color blue cap, instead of their old color coded cap system, where the dark blue cap indicated an unadulterated pure Sodium Hypochlorite Bleach product. Now they ALL have the dark blue cap! But that doesn't matter because ALL products have adulterations.

They do not make it easy to lean what the concentration is, but WORSE ALL of the Clorox products are now ADULTERATED with laundry additives.

Even the Product Safety Sheets do not list the concentrations of the ingredients. . . nor is the old original pure Clorox even listed any more. Apparently such data is now a corporate secret.

There seems to be no pure bleach Clorox anymore. I cannot find the old product at all on their website! At this point I do not know what substitutes there are for the discontinues product. . . but do NOT feel safe by using any Clorox product in your mouth!

For example their Regular Clorox now includes: "Sodium polyacrylate is used in laundry detergents to prevent soils from depositing on fabrics during the laundry cycle."

Another with the another blue cap bleach bottle which just says "Clorox" but at the bottom lists "High Efficiency" also adds an additional ingredient of "Sodium Xylene Sulfanate"!

I have sent an email to our doctors appraising them of the situation because this has been an important product for protocols for tooth and health care in our implant Dentistry practice.

WHAT IN HELL ARE THEY THINKING!!!!

[Smokin' Joe]

It took considerable rummaging around to find it. You would think it would be easier to locate.

I went through all the menus to make sure it was or wasn't present and located it. (Before I say it isn't there, I will have checked every link.)

Since that was just today, it may have been put up at any time before that.

[Smokin' Joe]

That doesn’t resolve an ancillary question however. although it appears to be safe to use for water purification purposes (for drinking water), the question remains. In the meantime I will rely on the Calcium Hypochlorite method.

[Swordmaker]

By the way, I looked at a lot of the pool shock MSDSs and I was amazed at the ones that said as secondary ingredients:

• Ingredient #2 TRADE SECRET
• Ingredient #2 TRADE SECRET

Say what???? On an MSDS?

[Swordmaker]

That doesn’t resolve an ancillary question however. although it appears to be safe to use for water purification purposes (for drinking water), the question remains. In the meantime I will rely on the Calcium Hypochlorite method.

The amount of Sodium Hydroxide that is added is OK for those purposes. It's the same amount that was there in the previous Clorox that was OK'd for those purposes. . . and is actually less in proportion to the concentration of sodium hypochlorite. So when you put in the lesser amount of Clorox to get the same level of chlorine to purify the water, you'll actually have a lower amount of Sodium Hydroxide than before. Follow my logic?

[Churchillspirit]

Another gem, Joe !

[misanthrope]

Lyme and RA placemark.

Thanks Swordmaker.

[Auntie Mame]

Thank you.

[Smokin' Joe]

I always read ingredients, too. If they can’t tell me what’s in it, I don’t buy it.

[Smokin' Joe]

I follow the logic, no problem.

If those are the only ingredients, no problem. If not, then there may be a possible problem with other additives and kidney/liver etc. problems over the long haul.

That is what I want to avoid.

[Swordmaker]

If those are the only ingredients, no problem. If not, then there may be a possible problem with other additives and kidney/liver etc. problems over the long haul.

According to the SDS, they are the only ingredients in that product. Also my doctor stated that for medical purposes, where the dilution is high, anything in the original that is below 1% would wind up being far below the level of significance when used for water purification. Clorox says to use 6 drops of the concentrated bleach instead of 8 drops of their old regular bleach to a gallon of water, so we are talking about thousands to one dilution for purification. The impurities of the less than 1% would not matter a whit. . . and frankly, I wouldn't worry too much about the others either at that level of concentration.

[AllAmericanGirl44]

Thank you for the heads up

[Ancesthntr]

You are not swallowing the solution, only swishing it around your mouth, and in a very dilute form - and then only once a week or so. I can’t see any problem with this.

[thouworm]

Thanks for the warning! Is this the same product as the one you discovered is safe? It seems to be but the label is slightly different.

Clorox Concentrated Germicidal Bleach, Regular, 64Oz Bottle from Clorox

About the Product

Has a concentration level of 8.25%.;Cleans, disinfects and deodorizes a variety of surfaces.;EPA-registered to kill 39 organisms, including multiple strains of MRSA, Norovirus and three strains of influenza.;Kills Clostridium difficile spores in five minutes on hard, nonporous surfaces when used as directed.;Safe for food-contact surfaces.;Kills salmonella, E. coli and listeria.;Ergonomically-enhanced package makes the bleach is easier to pour, handle and carry.

[Smokin' Joe]

Sorry, but you missed the other application for sodium Hypochlorite—namely as a water purifier. In that case, you are consuming the product in small amounts, and for a period of time.

[Swordmaker]

Thanks for the warning! Is this the same product as the one you discovered is safe? It seems to be but the label is slightly different.

As long as the product is the Clorox Germicidal professional product, you are OK. . . don't use the cap any longer to indicate anything about the product. They dropped that designation when the changed bottle sizes. It actually has to say "Clorox Germicidal" on the label front. Costco sells this product in a 3-Pack. It will be harder to find other places like grocery stores.

All of them will say they will kill germs, but most of the consumer Clorox products also include laundry additives you should avoid. The one you have pictured looks like their professional product and should be the correct one. They also have one where the label has the word "Germicidal" in large print right below the Clorox name that is also OK. Here is the page for the professional product.

[Swordmaker]

Sorry, but you missed the other application for sodium Hypochlorite—namely as a water purifier. In that case, you are consuming the product in small amounts, and for a period of time.

Once the sodium hypochlorite does it's purification job, which is basically killing bacteria and causing some precipitation of particulates, its half-life is long gone and it has converted to salt water and at the concentration used for such purposes, there will be none left at all.

[Lurkina.n.Learnin]

After dilution that three gallons from Costco should last a lifetime.

[Smokin' Joe]

Understood. The question was, and remains one of other ingredients in the bleach. We’re chasing our tails, here.

[Swordmaker]

After dilution that three gallons from Costco should last a lifetime.

Unfortunately, no bottle of bleach lasts forever. It will deteriorate over time, slowly degrading to salt water. Keep it sealed and it will last longer. The shelf life is limited. Dilute it and the half-life drops drastically. The only adulteration in "pure" bleach is a buffering to raise the pH level to keep it from degrading too fast. They use Sodium Hydroxide to do that buffering. My primary doctor says they raise the pH to about 9-9.5.

[riffdex]

I want to start using Dakin’s rinse so I am going to buy the new Clorox “Germicidal” blend mentioned previously. What is the best way to mix this solution? Is is not feasible to mix a large batch of this liquid (in a properly sealed tight container) so that I may not have to create new batches frequently? If it is necessary to create new batches, how often should I make a new batch and what type of container should I keep it in to keep it sealed tightest?

I wanted to create this solution and fill a listerine bottle with a pump attachment, to make it easy and encourage me to use the solution. Would a pump attachment I described be okay or would this bottle cause the solution to lose potency?

Why is the connection between oral spirochetes/AD/other modern diseases not more widely publicized? Why hasn’t there been any large-scale studies if it is as easy as using this mouthwash to prevent so many diseases? Genuinely curious! Thanks for all the help.