Pope Francis, "Jesus dying on the cross was a failure" [Revelation 13]

9/25/2015 | Jan Sobieski

[Jan_Sobieski]

The greatly heralded Pope Francis, beneficiary of 24 hour news coverage from all news networks, has once again given us insight into his inner self in a sermon at St Patrick's Cathedral in New York City (Transcript of Sermon) . After starting the service, Pope Francis gave a heart warming shout-out to his "religion of peace", “Muslim brothers and sisters” when he said this:

“I would like to express two sentiments for my Muslim brothers and sisters: Firstly, my greetings as they celebrate the feast of sacrifice.”

The Pope clearly understands that for the last 1400 years, Islam has held that Christians and Jews are not brothers and sisters, but rather infidels worthy of death. Islam's god, Allah, states in Surah 19 of the Koran that he has no son. To say so is blasphemy against Allah and his prophet, Mohammed. However, despite what Muslims believe, the Chrislamic Pope Francis has demanded that the Christian nations in Europe and America receive all Muslim "al hijrah" immigrants, while the Vatican has the strictest immigration policy on earth. Perhaps the syncretic Pope believes that by paying obeisance to Islam he can bring the irrational religion under his cognitive dissonant sphere of influence? His later words in the sermon seem to dignify the Islamic view of Jesus' failure on the cross when he stated:

"And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and not produce fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross.

The Bible foretells in Revelation 13 that in the last days before the return of Jesus, an international religious figure will rise on the scene. The religious figure will look like a self-sacrificing, philanthropist. A real lover of man and the earth! He will appear harmless as a lamb, but when he speaks, he speaks like a ravenous dragon. He may feign faith in Christ, but in reality will direct everyone to worship another political figure who will be promoted to help solve the world's problems. Somehow this religious figure is so intertwined with politics and the economic system, he is able to promote a new worldwide economic order where all must have the the political figure's mark on their person in order to purchase, and to show loyalty to the "new world system". The Bible is also clear that whoever receives this "mark" will be damned to hell, with no hope of redemption.

I am not sure if Pope Francis IS this religious figure. If not, he is certainly a wonderful forerunner. Every time he opens his mouth, he continues his foray into the world political and economic orders and his consistent promotion of homosexuality, Allah as God of the Bible, and Marxism/Socialism betraying his "inner dragon"...

Victory in Jesus, by Eugene Monroe Bartlett, Sr.

I heard an old, old story
How a Savior came from glory
How He gave His life on Calvary
To save a wretch like me
I heard about His groaning
Of His precious blood's atoning
Then I repented of my sins
And won the victory

O victory in Jesus
My Savior, forever
He sought me and bought me
With His redeeming blood
He loved me ere I knew Him
And all my love is due Him
He plunged me to victory
Beneath the cleansing flood

I heard about His healing
Of His cleansing pow'r revealing
How He made the lame to walk again
And caused the blind to see
And then I cried, "Dear Jesus
Come and heal my broken spirit,"
And somehow Jesus came and brought
To me the victory

O victory in Jesus
My Savior, forever
He sought me and bought me
With His redeeming blood
He loved me ere I knew Him
And all my love is due Him
He plunged me to victory
Beneath the cleansing flood

I heard about a mansion
He has built for me in glory
And I heard about the streets of gold
Beyond the crystal sea
About the angels singing
And the old redemption story
And some sweet day I'll sing up there
The song of victory

O victory in Jesus
My Savior, forever
He sought me and bought me
With His redeeming blood
He loved me ere I knew Him
And all my love is due Him
He plunged me to victory
Beneath the cleansing flood!

[Fantasywriter]

We are a long way beyond the short interlude that immediately followed the crucifixion. We now know that Christ’s death on the cross was the ultimate victory. However, if you can cite one Scripture that refers to Christ’s crucifixion as a “failure,” we’ll talk.

[I want the USA back]

“... his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure...”

There is nothing wrong with that statement. Don’t change it when you quote it.

His statements about the ROP are wrong, stupid and show a fundamental misunderstanding of the beliefs of the ROP.

[tet68]

this Pope is a Christian

This pope is as much a christian as barak Obama...
and there you have it.

[PghBaldy]

It is bizarre how everything he says must explained away. Reminds me of Obama when he speaks off the cuff, and the White House has to say he meant the opposite of what we all heard.

[Slyfox]

Can someone who is Catholic couch this statement in any sort of Catholic doctrine?

Crucifixion was known to be the absolute worst form of execution. It was reserved for the worst of the worst.

Jesus dying on the Cross was the lowest that Jesus could go in order to lift us up high to Heaven.

At the time it looked like Jesus had completely failed. But then he came back and everything he said came true.

It was all by design.

You have to keep in mind that the media is working overtime to make Francis look like one of them.

I usually wait a little after something has been said and look at the Vatican website and there I find that his words make sense.

But he makes no sense through the leftist media filter. They chop up his statements to make it seem as though he said something else or infers something entirely different to what he actually said.

Think Dan Rather and why he lost his career at 60 Minutes.

[Ann Archy]

What do you call your male parent?

[Maris Crane]

The Church survived the Borgias and the Papacy, for God’s sake, we can live through this. Prayer, and belief in the Catholic tenets as contained in The Apostles’ Creed, will get us over this.
This man will not destroy my Faith.

[bubbacluck]

HUMANLY speaking the cross was a failure.

Yes. Key word is HUMANLY.

[DoughtyOne]

Not that these things are unimportant, of course. But we have been entrusted with a great responsibility, and this is why god's people rightly expect accountability from us but the true worth of our apostolate is measured by the value it has in god's eyes, to see and evaluate things from god's perspective, calls for constant conversion in the first days and years of our vocation and, need I say, it demands great humility.

The cross shows us a different way of measuring success. Ours is to plant the seeds. God sees to the fruits of our labors. And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and not produce fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross.

Another danger -- another danger emerges when we become jealous of our free time, when we think that surrounding ourselves with worldly comforts help us to serve better. The problem with this way of reasoning is that it can blunt the power of god's daily call to conversion, to encounter with him.

I believe that you make a good point there OafOfOffice. I still think the point was rather obtuse, and could rather easily be misconstrued as I did. HERE

My response may have been too harsh. I would have urged another clarifying sentence directly after the red above. Perhaps others will disagree.

That's still my take.

[icwhatudo]

Full quote in context:

“To see and evaluate things from God’s perspective calls for constant conversion in the first days and years of our vocation and, need I say, great humility. The cross shows us a different way of measuring success. Ours is to plant the seeds: God sees to the fruits of our labors. And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and produce no fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus… and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross”

[Fantasywriter]

It’s wrong if that’s where he left it. Did he go on to explain that spiritually speaking it was the ultimate victory? Not everyone who hears his words has a clue. To leave as a takeaway message that, even just humanly speaking, the cross represents failure, is unspeakably misguided.

[Rockitz]

What’s with the parable mixed in, i.e. planting seeds? It’s as if he’s demented. At best, this is a terrible representation of the basic tenant of Christianity.

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

I think I’ll create a new meme. You have ‘mansplaining’ by the left, etc. Now they have ‘popesplaining’.

[DoughtyOne]

I understand your comments, and will only reference you to my follow-up post to my first reaction.

I don’t want to take the worst possible response unfairly, and other poster did come up with a reasoned thought.

Thanks for your comments.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3341494/posts?page=49#49

[21twelve]

“...Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross.”

Of course that is true - “humanly speaking”. Our pastor relates how Jesus was/is like a great judo fighter. Using the opponent’s actions and turning them around to his victory.

When this pope first came around I liked his casting off of some of the formality and stuff. In hindsight, and see that was just his commie world-view showing through.

[mkjessup]

Thank you FRiend (& Brother), it wasn’t just my prayers but the prayers of MANY who lifted up my daughter, I have been blessed to see amazing things happen in response to sincere and fervent prayer, prayer is the most powerful tool and weapon in any Christian’s spiritual arsenal.

The Lord be with you and yours FRiend.

[Tennessee Nana]

I would like to express two sentiments for my Muslim brothers and sisters: Firstly, my greetings as they celebrate the feast of sacrifice.”
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Did this sucker congratulate “his” Jewish brothers and sisters on Yom Kippur ???

[madison10]

Yes. If that is what the Pope said, it is a truth, but just one. As a Christian he should have told the Truth...ONE way to God, but alas I doubt if he was brave enough.

[DoughtyOne]

I’m not sure how things play out, but I do adhere to the thought over time all will be revealed.

The Bible is a unique book IMO. We see thousands of years worth of prophecy play out. I’m all in.

I o understand reasoned questions, and I do no have all answers.

That’s why they call it faith.

[Jan_Sobieski]

Fair enough. I appreciate your faith and your tenaciousness. Clearly, you have not left the Church, but what if the Roman Church has left you? The RC is sodomite and communist infested and a religious wing of the global elites. What do you think Jesus would tell you regarding the RC? Wouldn’t he tell you what he told His disciples? “Come out of her my people, and be not a partaker of her plagues...”